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That Hellchild - Bareskin was killer. So many good bands from Japan I've never heard of.

 

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures, 1979,  I've tried with JD many times but as of yet I have been unsuccessful in getting into them. This right now tonight is the best they've ever sounded to me so maybe I'll finally "get it" after 43 years. I figure if I can do Mogwai then JD should be no problem. I would like it better if they had some noisy jangly guitars. This souds like mostly bass and a drum machine.

 

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DEVILSPIT - Devil's Strains And Burial Hymns

 

1 hour ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

That Hellchild - Bareskin was killer. So many good bands from Japan I've never heard of.

 

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures, 1979,  I've tried with JD many times but as of yet I have been unsuccessful in getting into them. This right now tonight is the best they've ever sounded to me so maybe I'll finally "get it" after 43 years. I figure if I can do Mogwai then JD should be no problem. I would like it better if they had some noisy jangly guitars. This souds like mostly bass and a drum machine.

 

....I'm extremely surprised that you like SISTERS OF MERCY, but not this.....but it definitely has guitars though....Bernard Sumner is playing guitar....and it's pretty jangly on "Disorder".....

...maybe give this a try....

JOY DIVISION - An Ideal For Living

....guitar is a little more out front.....

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8 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

That Hellchild - Bareskin was killer. So many good bands from Japan I've never heard of.

 

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures, 1979,  I've tried with JD many times but as of yet I have been unsuccessful in getting into them. This right now tonight is the best they've ever sounded to me so maybe I'll finally "get it" after 43 years. I figure if I can do Mogwai then JD should be no problem. I would like it better if they had some noisy jangly guitars. This souds like mostly bass and a drum machine.

 

Check out their live stuff maybe? The band felt the same at the time - they were unhappy with the lack of aggression on the studio recordings. The bassist even has a quote in an interview saying that the producer had "fucking melted" the guitar and "made it sound like someone strangling a kitten". I also read that the producer had their drummer record each drum separately to avoid bleed, which sounds like a recipe for sterility to me. Their live shows sounded a lot more like the rock band they wanted to be. This show at the Factory in 1979 is part of the box set:

 

 

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This morning I watched this 69 minute doco that tells their story, and that really helped me understand where they were coming from and what they were all about. They went up to Manchester and interviewed just about everyone involved back then and it had lots of their music, much of which was old b&w live footage, I really enjoyed it. They had a short clip of the producer Martin Hannett yelling at the bass player to "Play it like a fucking musician!" and they did mention that he liked to record everybody separately one at a time. 

These pp albums were always around back in the early/mid 80's. My best friend/roomate had the Joy Division records and the first few New Order records and that first Ministry album with the roses when they were a synth pop band. OMD, Human League, Yazoo, I remember all those records being in the house and I tend to lump them all together in my mind.

I struggled with that kind of music back then because it wasn't aggressive and heavy and guitar forward like most of what I was into. Those were sissy bands to me and I had no time for that shit because I didn't get it. Yazoo and Siouxie and the Banshees were maybe the only ones of his new wave records (we called all that stuff new wave back then) that I remember really enjoying at the time because I guess I was more willing to accept the softer electronic sounds if they were coming from bands fronted by girls. 

Sisters of Mercy was the first electronic band I really connected with because they had a heaviness and an aggressive edge those other bands had lacked. And more guitars. But they were a few years later. Obviously there are paralells to be drawn from Joy Division to SoM, clearly Andrew Eldritch was heavily influenced by them. It's taken me a long time to come back around and finally start to appreciate the early post punk stuff. I'd still prefer it if there were more guitars here, but still I think I'm finally getting it.

 

Joy Division: The Poster Children of Post-Punk | Amplified

 

Joy Division - Closer 1980, some more jangly guitars on the song Colony. Guitars just make everything better.

 

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1 hour ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

This morning I watched this 69 minute doco that tells their story, and that really helped me understand where they were coming from and what they were all about. They went up to Manchester and interviewed just about everyone involved back then and it had lots of their music, much of which was old b&w live footage, I really enjoyed it. They had a short clip of the producer Martin Hannett yelling at the bass player to "Play it like a fucking musician!" and they did mention that he liked to record everybody separately one at a time. 

These pp albums were always around back in the early/mid 80's. My best friend/roomate had the Joy Division records and the first few New Order records and that first Ministry album with the roses when they were a synth pop band. OMD, Human League, Yazoo, I remember all those records being in the house and I tend to lump them all together in my mind.

I struggled with that kind of music back then because it wasn't aggressive and heavy and guitar forward like most of what I was into. Those were sissy bands to me and I had no time for that shit because I didn't get it. Yazoo and Siouxie and the Banshees were maybe the only ones of his new wave records (we called all that stuff new wave back then) that I remember really enjoying at the time because I guess I was more willing to accept the softer electronic sounds if they were coming from bands fronted by girls. 

Sisters of Mercy was the first electronic band I really connected with because they had a heaviness and an aggressive edge those other bands had lacked. And more guitars. But they were a few years later. Obviously there are paralells to be drawn from Joy Division to SoM, clearly Andrew Eldritch was heavily influenced by them. It's taken me a long time to come back around and finally start to appreciate the early post punk stuff. I'd still prefer it if there were more guitars here, but still I think I'm finally getting it.

 

Joy Division: The Poster Children of Post-Punk | Amplified

 

Joy Division - Closer 1980, some more jangly guitars on the song Colony. Guitars just make everything better.

 

...WhiteNoise....there is a very good movie about JOY DIVISION, called "Control"... It's fairly accurate, for the most part and has great music throughout...all of the live JD performances were done by the actual actors, supposedly...

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The Cure - Faith, 1981

 

The Cure - Pormography, 1982, Faith was not bad, I played it twice, but I think this will be the one that finally gets me onboard as a fan of the Cure. I'm feeling this one.

 

45 minutes ago, MarkhantonioYeatts said:

...WhiteNoise....there is a very good movie about JOY DIVISION, called "Control"... It's fairly accurate, for the most part and has great music throughout...all of the live JD performances were done by the actual actors, supposedly...

Yes, they played several scenes from it in that documentary I watched this morning. But nobody can dance quite like Ian Curtis.

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27 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

The Cure - Faith, 1981

 

The Cure - Pormography, 1982, Faith was not bad, I played it twice, but I think this will be the one that finally gets me onboard as a fan of the Cure. I'm feeling this one.

 

Yes, they played several scenes from it in that documentary I watched this morning. But nobody can dance quite like Ian Curtis.

....nobody?....I beg to differ....

 

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3 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

The Cure - Pormography, 1982, Faith was not bad, I played it twice, but I think this will be the one that finally gets me onboard as a fan of the Cure. I'm feeling this one

The Cure don't really do it for me, but I do own and enjoy this album. 

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Slowdive - Souvlaki, 1994 

 

Ride - Nowhere, 1990

 

17 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The Cure don't really do it for me, but I do own and enjoy this album. 

They've never done it for me in the past, and I've tried them out lots of times over the years. I texted Navy earlier who I know is a huge fan of The Cure and he told me to try: Faith, Pornography (which I was already listening to when I got his reply) and Bloodflower. He said I probably wouldn't like the rest so don't even bother. I've heard bits and pierces of some of their others and he's probably right. I will check out Bloodflower at some point just to see. No idea when this window will close without warning and I'll be back on the osdm and black metal. I'm currently enjoying this early 90's "shoegaze" genre. 

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You never just feel like trying something different every once in a blue moon? You never get overloaded on thrash metal and want to take a day or two off from it? These post punk and shoegaze records aren't going to be every week or every month listens for me or even purchases most of them. But I've just felt like changing it up the last few days. And I know when I go back to the black and death full time tonight or tomorrow or whenever it's gonna sound so much better to me after taking a little break. Too hot for black metal now anyway with this heat wave we've been having. When it gets to Sept-Oct I'll be back to my usual 90% black metal. 

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17 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

You never just feel like trying something different every once in a blue moon? You never get overloaded on thrash metal and want to take a day or two off from it? These post punk and shoegaze records aren't going to be every week or every month listens for me or even purchases most of them. But I've just felt like changing it up the last few days. And I know when I go back to the black and death full time tonight or tomorrow or whenever it's gonna sound so much better to me after taking a little break. Too hot for black metal now anyway with this heat wave we've been having. When it gets to Sept-Oct I'll be back to my usual 90% black metal. 

My listening is a shit tonne more eclectic than most here, but the Cure has never been a band I've been interested in.

 

3 minutes ago, MarkhantonioYeatts said:

....I listen to both kinds of music....country AND western.....

In several Oz states where the suburb exists we have the standing joke that the guy on stage is "some C**t from Preston".

 

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25 minutes ago, KillaKukumba said:

My listening is a shit tonne more eclectic than most here, but the Cure has never been a band I've been interested in.

They were never a band I was interested in either. No lame sissy boy dance music for me! But people just keep raving about them, people who I know irl and who listen to some good music so naturally this makes me wonder if there's anything there. I'd at least like to get to a place where I can understand and respect them. I won't be buying tickets to their shows or anything.

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24 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

They were never a band I was interested in either. No lame sissy boy dance music for me! But people just keep raving about them, people who I know irl and who listen to some good music so naturally this makes me wonder if there's anything there. I'd at least like to get to a place where I can understand and respect them. I won't be buying tickets to their shows or anything.

Think of it as gothic metal without the metal, so not anywhere near as good as MDB.

Listening to Somewhere Far Beyond.  Been on a huge Blind Guardian binge today.

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8 minutes ago, KillaKukumba said:

I don't need to understand and respect a band like the Cure, others do that and I'm fine with it. I've heard more than enough Cure albums to know that they offer me nothing and that wont change by listening to more of them.

I'm way behind, I haven't heard nearly as much Cure as you have. Never heard them on the radio or anything. For decades literally all I knew about them was they weren't metal they were some kind of "goth" or something and the main dude had big hair. So forgive me for educating myself. Today was the first time I've ever made it past half a song.

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1 hour ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I'm way behind, I haven't heard nearly as much Cure as you have. Never heard them on the radio or anything. For decades literally all I knew about them was they weren't metal they were some kind of "goth" or something and the main dude had big hair. So forgive me for educating myself. Today was the first time I've ever made it past half a song.

Sadly shitty radio is our forte in this country. They do mostly only play the hits and singles but it's over played and it's bloody everywhere. FM used to occasionally get some variety and we'd have some stations do dedications to 'popular bands' but commercial radio took over and now days it's all the same dreary shit. The Cure doesn't always blend in with all that other white noise but it's played often enough that it's close.

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Man, I go away for a bit, come back and the General is listening to Joy Division and the Cure? Did I fall through a fucking wormhole or something? I must have taken the wrong pill....

Seriously GG, thanks for reaching out today. I've been consumed with life lately. Work, home, caretaker roles.... fucking takes all my time these days. Sick, healthy, everything in between. Lost 50 pounds, drank lots of beer, slept very little. You guys get the idea. Hopefully I can get around more frequently.

Can't say much has caught my attention lately. Have bought a few things though. Prepare for a list...

Birth - Born - old school prog from San Diego. New band. Had an EP last year that was quite good. This is too. Non-proggy moog organ lovers need not apply.

Alasthor - Alasthor - Russian Burzum worship. Not bad.

Escotrilihum - Luadimmerantia - the mad Frenchman strikes again with a quick nasty EP. If you like his stuff, you will no doubt like this.

Beach Rats - Rat Beat - real deal punk via members of Bad Religion, Minor Threat, and the Bouncing Souls. Say no more, this is my kinda shit.

Casket Cassette - s/t - Morrissey meets post-punk. Don't try this one General, you'll hate it.

Night Sins - Violet Age - more danceable post-punk/darkwave. Better than the one above for sure. Late night tunes.

Executioner's Mask - Winterlong - more pp. Maybe the best of the 3 listed.

Rope Sect - Metanoia Sessions - darkwave from Turkey iirc. Always good stuff from these guys.

Goatriders - Traveler - fuzzy stoned out rock. Not a bad sophomore effort. Like the first one better.

Alive - Dead Register - saw these guys open for Oranssi a few years ago. All their albums sound basically the same. Still decent.

Tomb Mold - Aperture of Body - fucking tasty EP from the boys.

The Chasm - The Scars of a Lost Reflective Shadow - ever heard of these guys? You should check them out.

Crime of Passing - Dancing Prick EP/Self-Titled - the best new pp band going atm aside from Secret Shame. Very good stuff.

High Spirits - everything - my buddy has tried to get me in to these guys for years. I'm very familiar with Chris Black's work with everyone from Dawnbringer and Nachtmystium to his solo projects. Bought a ton of records from him over the years. Never could get into this one though until I saw them at Hells Heroes. Now I'm hooked. Power pop catchy, killer riffs, tons of energy. Another Night is the best of the bunch, but all of them are good.

The Lord Weird Slough Feg - New Organan/Atavism - another Hell's Heroes band I fell hard for. Riff fucking city.

A Sound of Thunder - The Krimson Kult - female fronted doom. Catchy and competent.

Lady Beast - everything - female fronted NWOTHM out of Pittsburgh. These cats were staying next to us at Hell's Heroes so I checked out their set because they were cool as fuck. If you're into the style, their in the top tier of bands. Oh and the bass player is smoking hot.

Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine live - I like most PT, and this one is good.

Envy of None - S/T - so what's Alex Lifeson doing post Rush? This. Don't go in expecting guitar god heroics. Very modern sound with a female singer. @markmis probably the only one here who might like this. Anything Alex does I'm down for.

Circle of Ouroborus - Aavikon Varjo - the weirdest Finn's are weirder than ever. They can do no wrong in my eyes, except maybe this is too short. I need more.

Lord's of the Norther Sky - Empty Rooms Denied Light - more pp everyone would hate.

Heavy Sentence - Bang to Rights - good ol'fashion kick ass heavy fucking metal. Good shit.

Haunter - Dicarnate Ails - weird prog death from Austin, TX. I like weird.

Hallas - Isle of Wisdom - I really like this band, but this album hasn't really caught me yet.

Certainly been a few more along the way, but that's probably enough for now. Getting caught up this week prepping for Psycho Las Vegas on the 18th. Mercyful Fate & Emperor.... not to mention a dozen others.

I did do Hell's Heroes as mentioned this year and MDF which was insanely good. Saw tons of bands for the first time and some excellent repeats. Most insane had to be Birdflesh at Soundstage, but getting in the pit for Blood Incantation and Demolition Hammer was the craziest thing I've done in years. I'm still sore!

Anyway, sorry for the blast post verbal dump. I'll be back again with something less exciting.

NP: Trampled by Turtles - Trampled by Thursdays Live at First Avenue - bluegrass out of Minnesota. One of my top 5 bands of all time (and surely my wife's favorite). Seen these guys 7 times since 2018. Going again in December. Just write great songs, earnest lyrics, and unbelievable live. If you like old country (not the top 40 bs of today), folk, indie, or Americana, this is the best thing going.

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