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ChainsawAkimbo
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First time i hear a metalcore band (that i´m aware of anyway).. at first with the "a day to remember" i was like ewwwwwww argh, but that Ringworm song wasn´t that horrible actually.   But why lis

BlutAusNerd
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You've got a couple of different camps there. Bands like Converge and Earth Crisis combine metal and hardcore punk, but bands like As I Lay Dying and Unearth combine the watered down pop-music bastard

Spiderlix
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Hi guys from 2023.I listened Lamb of God and Killswitch Engage discographies.But i realized that early metalcore was so different from the melodic one from KSE.Looks like a mix of Pantera with hardcor

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Re: Metal Core While I wouldn't call all of those bands metalcore, they all do combine metal and hardcore in different ways. There are tons of different ways to combine punk and metal, many of them are quite different, and I probably wouldn't call them all the same thing. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Re: Why doesn't Metalcore have it's own section

I saw sections for Death/Thrash/and so on metal. Why doesn't Metalcore have it's own section? Why is it dumped itno other with all the other stuff that could be in other? Metalcore is one of the best subgenres of metal and I think it should have it's own section. Any reason why it doesnt?
Because the metal content in the metalcore that will likely be most discussed is dubious at best, so it goes in the Other Music Genres section. Were there fans of actual metalcore on this site (Ksmash has been absent as of late), it might merit a section as opposed to just a thread. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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From my time here I've noticed most people (certainly the most prominent users) tend to favour traditional metal, extreme metal or the more experimental/avant-garde type stuff. Not only that, most exclude nu metal and the more commercial metalcore that most people tend to like from the metal umbrella. If you search around a bit there has been debate as to whether this is truly justified. I seem to be the only more prominent user backing that stuff and it inevitably ended in a 'we have a difference of opinion and so we'll just agree to listen to what we want' sort of scenario. This might seem unsatisfactory, but trust me, the folks on here are very tolerant compared to other forums, where professing to liking nu metal and modern metalcore is basically the equivalent to saying you're Ian Watkins. :L

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As BAN said' date=' real metalcore bands are rare. From what I understand it's a relatively small genre - so it's in the 'other genres' section. This section is also for genres whose metal-ness is disputable, as is the case with metalcore.[/quote'] It's certainly not rare, but emo/pop bands that get labelled as metalcore are far more prominent, but the better bands being buried under more accessible ones is hardly unique to metalcore. I do like some metalcore, and that metalcore is a mixture of metal and hardcore, as the name implies, not limp-wristed breakup songs for transgender youth. For some vicious metalcore, check out Ringworm, or The Dillinger Escape Plan's Calculating Infinity. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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It's certainly not rare' date=' but emo/pop bands that get labelled as metalcore are far more prominent, but the better bands being buried under more accessible ones is hardly unique to metalcore. I do like some metalcore, and that metalcore is a mixture of metal and hardcore, as the name implies, not limp-wristed breakup songs for transgender youth. For some vicious metalcore, check out Ringworm, or The Dillinger Escape Plan's Calculating Infinity.[/quote'] I didn't really know how prevalent the 'real' metalcore bands were so that was just a guess. The Dillinger Escape Plan seems to be sort of a techy math-band, they're certainly vicious but I don't recall them being particularly good. I do think DevilDriver could be great if they wanted to, but their vocalist and lyrics are just arse. For my part I doubt I'll ever like metalcore since I can't stand hardcore.
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Definitely agree. They're pretty much hardcore and thrash... Maybe leaning slightly towards the former, but metalcore, taken in its traditional form, is simply metal and hardcore combined. Given these guys don't have the modern emo influences and poppy choruses, they're ultimately more deserving of the metalcore title than Bullet or Asking Alexandria or any other band a 'metalcore fan' is likely to mention.

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I do think DevilDriver could be great if they wanted to' date=' but their vocalist and lyrics are just arse. For my part I doubt I'll ever like metalcore since I can't stand hardcore.[/quote'] Really? I find that pretty interesting. Dez's vocals are pretty much the main draw for me. He's got a really cool low voice and his growls are so distinctive. With a fair portion of modern death metal, for example, it's hard for me to distinguish one vocalist from the next. It's a bit of a cliche now, but when you stick DevilDriver on and you first hear the vocals, you know straight away who it is!
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Definitely agree. They're pretty much hardcore and thrash... Maybe leaning slightly towards the former' date=' but metalcore, taken in its traditional form, is simply metal and hardcore combined. Given these guys don't have the modern emo influences and poppy choruses, they're ultimately more deserving of the metalcore title than Bullet or Asking Alexandria or any other band a 'metalcore fan' is likely to mention.[/quote'] I've read that Hatebreed considers their old stuff to be metalcore, and I would agree. They take the stompy, breakdown heavy elements of New York hardcore and metalize it a bit. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I didn't really know how prevalent the 'real' metalcore bands were so that was just a guess. The Dillinger Escape Plan seems to be sort of a techy math-band' date=' they're certainly vicious but I don't recall them being particularly good. I do think DevilDriver could be great if they wanted to, but their vocalist and lyrics are just arse. For my part I doubt I'll ever like metalcore since I can't stand hardcore.[/quote'] The Dillinger Escape Plan is really technical and jazzy, but the base of their sound is metalcore. They reigned some of that back in and became a bit more pop oriented later, but Calculating Infinity and Irony is a Dead Scene (featuring Mike Patton on vocals) are both insane and excellent. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Calculating Infinity and Irony is a Dead Scene (featuring Mike Patton on vocals) are both insane and excellent.
Totally agree. I love both those albums. Other metal/hardcore crossovers I enjoy are Converge's "When Forever Comes Crashing" (and actually their newest one is pretty good too), the one full-length by As The Sun Sets, Daughters' album "Canada Songs", an album by Oroku that I think is called Living Through The End Of Time (cool cello stuff!), at least one of Puritan (PA)'s two recordings, various crust punk and grind (fucking love Discordance Axis), and arguably Assuck, some Neurosis, some Isis...
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