What Are You Listening To?

[Arioch]

Rigor Mortis - Slaves to the Grave (2014)

 

[Nasty_Cabbage]

9 minutes ago, Arioch said:

Rigor Mortis - Slaves to the Grave (2014)

I love this album so much it's unnatural.

[Arioch]

Slayer - Hell Awaits (1985)

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

Purtenance - Member of Immortal Damnation

[Arioch]

Slayer - Reign in Blood (1986)

 

[Arioch]

Exodus - Bonded by Blood (1985)

 

[GoatmasterGeneral]

So is it post folk, or post Windir?

I think my problem is there's this genre they call post rock and its cousins post metal and post black. I've never really understood what they're supposed to mean. I've generally found bands with the post metal tag like Cult of Luna to be insufferable. I've also often heard many of these bands called "shoegaze" but I haven't quite figured out what that's supposed to mean either because it doesn't sound like what I would think shoegaze is supposed to be.

As a big black metal fan I've figured out that post black will just have these soft pretty parts in it. Could be just subtle little hints of it or it could be more overt with long pretty passages. Not something I'm even mildly interested in exploring personally, but I know Doc likes a fair amount of stuff that gets described as post black. And that's cool, except that it's got nothing at all to do with black metal usually, not even peripherally, that's just what they call it.

We live in an age where sub-genre names don't have to make any sense whatsoever. They're not always intuitive and simple to figure out like the old sub-genres used to be. And this makes it hard for me to navigate this modern sub-genre landscape being an older guy who hasn't grown up with all these silly new made up non-descriptive sub-genres. 

And then you have stuff like post hardcore or post punk and I feel like I've got a handle on what those mean at least because these will typically have some relationship to the genre they're modifying as they should. 

So the problem here is I'll sometimes come across these bands that sound "posty" to me and I'll think "Hey this is complete crap but I think Doc might like this." And then what happens is invariably Doc will hate it because apparently I just don't understand the difference between the good post and the bad post. He'll dissect these finds musically using all his impressive music theory knowledge and fancy technical terms like "harmonic cliches" and "sad droopy wankers" that I don't really understand, to explain why they're no good. And here I was just trying to help.

 

6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Yep. I get all that. But the droopy wankers are objectively worse than the men of bricks in as much as I enjoyed the brick men and was rather nauseated by the sad boys. I know, that's just my opinion (man).

And something can be less terrible than another thing. It would be terrible to lose my left index finger, but that would be less terrible than to lose my dick. Or, to choose a musical example, the sad droopers are terrible, but their music is less terrible than anything by Ed Sheeran - and my daughter has made me listen to enough Ed the Eunuch, the ranger with no groove, to know how terrible he is.

Yes of course things can be objectively more or less terrible than other things. Duh! But my point was terrible things are generally not going to be 1,000 times as terrible as other already terrible things. This indiscriminate use of hyperbole is not going to ingratiate you with me Doc as we've already established that I'm the hyperbolic one around here. 

Also I'm proud to say I've never heard Ed Sheeran and I aim to keep it that way.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

Sonic Poison - Eruption, death/crust/grind Finland.

 

Hellbastard - Heading for Internal Darkness, UK crust 1988

 

 

[Arioch]

Flotsam and Jetsam - Doomsday for the Deveiver (1986)

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

My own lack of understanding leads me to ask why Sonic Poison isn’t just grindcore. It’s cool though, right up my alley.

 

As far as post- whatever goes I don’t get it. I’m just waiting for some pretentious twats, or some Aussie madlads doing so ironically to label themselves post-death/anti-prog super hardcore or something equally obtuse.

[Innominate]

Inoculation - Christophobic

Sledge-Hammer - Bless the Plague

 

[Kristiko]

Paradise Lost - Draconian Times (album)

[markm]

14 hours ago, Nasty_Cabbage said:

I think I have a bad habit of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, but here goes anyway: I think the problem with "post"-whatever is that it's just a statement of influence. If I called something post-krautrock black metal, for instance, what am I really saying about the music. We might all have a certain sort of sound in mind, but the post part of it means almost nothing accept that it's taking some kind of element that was previously distinct to krautrock.

I like a fair amount of stuff that gets some kind of post (fill in the blank) and much less of what gets called gaze as in blackgaze, but I don't have a clue what Krautrock is. No doubt I own some krautrock and have no idea.....

[Thatguy]

9 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

not going to be 1,000 times as terrible

I said 1000% which is 10 times and not hyperbole at all.

 

9 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

And here I was just trying to help.

Me too.

 

9 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Also I'm proud to say I've never heard Ed Sheeran and I aim to keep it that way.

You don't know how lucky you are.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

7 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

My own lack of understanding leads me to ask why Sonic Poison isn’t just grindcore. It’s cool though, right up my alley.

As far as post- whatever goes I don’t get it. I’m just waiting for some pretentious twats, or some Aussie madlads doing so ironically to label themselves post-death/anti-prog super hardcore or something equally obtuse.

It really didn't sound all that grindy to me, the most grindy thing about it was all the sub two minute tracks. If I had to pin it down to just one sub-genre that best descibes it I'd call it crust. But we all have our own ideas about what defines these sub-genres. Maybe I've become so calloused and jaded that grindcore doesn't sound that extreme to me anymore so I have trouble recognizing it. There are death metal bands I enjoy quite a bit like Cadaveric Incubator and Invultation that get tagged as death/grind and they just sound like straight death metal to me, I don't hear any grind at all. I do hear a little bit in Sonic Poison, especially towards the end of the EP but not enough to make it the dominant sub-genre where I would just call it grindcore. The only one I remember seeing post any grindcore here on this thread besides Marko and myself would be Deadly, so I guess that means most of the rest of you guys aren't real big grinders. 

I would certainly love it if there were a sub-genre of metal known as "anti-prog" (or anti-pretentious twat) but I'll never be that lucky. I really try not to get too hung up on what sub-genre(s) stuff is nor do I feel the need to have any more subs than we already do at present. The majority of the stuff in my library I have tagged as simply black metal or death metal or crust, I don't generally feel the need to get any more specific than that. I do have a few made up sub-genres I'll use for certain bands just privately for my own personal amusement, but I don't use these in public discourse. When I get pedantic about sub-genres on the forum I'm really just trying to properly understand the ones we've already got because I believe words have meanings and I think it's important to understand those meanings so I can call things what they really are.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

39 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I said 1000% which is 10 times and not hyperbole at all.

Hahaha yeah you caught me, I switched your 1,000% to 1,000 times on purpose and I fucking knew before I even posted it that you were going to wake up in 9 more hours and call me out on that bit of hyperbole. Yes Doc 1,000% would be ten times as terrible and that's still ridiculously, comically, hyperbolically overstated. Especially in this case when the Bricky Boys were clearly the more egregiously unlistenable offenders out of those two less than stellar albums. Where's Carlos when we need someone to run a poll? I'd love to find out which album the rest of these bozos think was the more terribler of the two.

 

 

40 minutes ago, markm said:

I like a fair amount of stuff that gets some kind of post (fill in the blank) and much less of what gets called gaze as in blackgaze, but I don't have a clue what Krautrock is. No doubt I own some krautrock and have no idea.....

Krautrock I believe refers to 1970's German electronic band Kraftwerk, their sound and things they directly influenced. I don't really get what's so great about it myself, but I know Marko really loves that shit.

 

Godflesh - Purge

 

[JamesT]

23 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

This can't be their third best album because before you even click play on this one we see that Lemmy was uncharacteristically clean-shaven for the cover photo shoot, and points are gonna need to be deducted for that. 

This is one of those middle period Motörhead albums that like almost all of their albums sounds pretty damn good to me when I put it on, (can't think of too many "bad" Motörhead albums except for the final one when you could hear Lemmy's age catching up to him) but I don't listen to this one often enough to be able to remember how these songs go just from reading the titles on the track list. Except for Don't Believe a Word, and that one drove me crazy for quite awhile because I kept expecting them to play the classic Thin Lizzy tune of the same name. Same as Eat the Rich off Rock 'n' Roll, it took me years not to expect to hear the old 1983 Krokus song when I saw Eat the RIch on the tracklist, even though Motörhead's Eat the Rich is a much better song.

They had settled into being pretty formulaic by this point in 1996, had the whole write, record, release, touring cycle down to a science and it almost felt they were going through the motions and phoning it in with the songwriting at times by this point, so there were not a lot of big surprises on these late 90's and 2000's Motörhead albums. Not that there's anything really wrong with most of these albums, a bunch of them are really quite good (Inferno comes to mind) I just have so many other earlier ones I hold in much higher regard.

Still, I get a real kick out of seeing anyone my daughter's age or younger who's so totally into these old 80's bands like Motörhead that I grew up with. Or not 'grew up with' exacty because I was already 20 when I discovered the band via No Sleep Til Hammersmith, but I'm sure you know what I mean JT.

Yes sir, absolutely!  

"Inferno" is actually my favorite Motorhead album, with "We Are Motorhead" coming in second.  I enjoy "Ace of Spades" and "Iron Fist" and a lot of other older albums, but I've always gravitated toward the (more) recent stuff.  "Snakebite Love" is so good - incredibly underrated!

But yes, I love a ton of classic rock/metal bands - Judas Priest, AC/DC, Accept, Iron Maiden, Raven, Krokus, Anvil....the list goes on and on.  There's just nothing like some good heavy metal! 

Almost Dead - "Lay Me Down to Waste"

Almost Dead - "Better Off Dead"

Almost Dead - "Brutal Onslaught"

Pretty decent mix of hardcore and groove, with some thrash-y moments thrown in.  Fairly generic but still enjoyable.

Shotgun Facelift - "Dakota Blood Stampede"

Fantastic southern groove!

[Serpentboi1992]

[Thatguy]

3 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Godflesh - Purge

Indeed

MULLA - الاصابة Their new one which only has a title in Arabic. Nasty  - and simple -  enough for GG I would have thought.

ABYSSAL - A Beacon in the Husk

[RelentlessOblivion]

3 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

It really didn't sound all that grindy to me, the most grindy thing about it was all the sub two minute tracks. If I had to pin it down to just one sub-genre that best descibes it I'd call it crust. But we all have our own ideas about what defines these sub-genres. Maybe I've become so calloused and jaded that grindcore doesn't sound that extreme to me anymore so I have trouble recognizing it. There are death metal bands I enjoy quite a bit like Cadaveric Incubator and Invultation that get tagged as death/grind and they just sound like straight death metal to me, I don't hear any grind at all. I do hear a little bit in Sonic Poison, especially towards the end of the EP but not enough to make it the dominant sub-genre where I would just call it grindcore. The only one I remember seeing post any grindcore here on this thread besides Marko and myself would be Deadly, so I guess that means most of the rest of you guys aren't real big grinders. 

I would certainly love it if there were a sub-genre of metal known as "anti-prog" (or anti-pretentious twat) but I'll never be that lucky. I really try not to get too hung up on what sub-genre(s) stuff is nor do I feel the need to have any more subs than we already do at present. The majority of the stuff in my library I have tagged as simply black metal or death metal or crust, I don't generally feel the need to get any more specific than that. I do have a few made up sub-genres I'll use for certain bands just privately for my own personal amusement, but I don't use these in public discourse. When I get pedantic about sub-genres on the forum I'm really just trying to properly understand the ones we've already got because I believe words have meanings and I think it's important to understand those meanings so I can call things what they really are.

I don’t post everything I listen to, but there’s a little bit of grind in there, could do with more, though, if nothing else to help me understand how to define the genre properly. Much like you, I tend not to dive all that deep into the breakdown past is this black metal, or death metal, or doom metal etc.

 

NP: Blood Duster - C**t

 

[Dead1]

Testament - The Gathering

[Nasty_Cabbage]

39 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

ABYSSAL - A Beacon in the Husk

How's this one treating you? I find it's a bit of a slog and then, out of seemingly nowhere, it'll hit me like a meteor. I'm all about the really challenging "high-concept" side of albums like this though so who knows. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to Timmy tremolo down the block, but it works well enough for me.

[Thatguy]

57 minutes ago, Nasty_Cabbage said:

I definitely wouldn't recommend it to Timmy tremolo down the block, but it works well enough for me.

And me. It's Thatguy's kind of thing. I haven't dipped into it for some time though.

...and Timmy Tremelo - an alternative name for the GG!

[GoatmasterGeneral]

Psychopathic Terror - 230204, death metal Finland 2008

 

Cliteater - From Enslavement to Clitoration, Grindcore Netherlands 2016

 

Born to Murder the World - The Infinite Mirror of Millennial Narcissism, Grindcore UK 2018

 

20 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

...and Timmy Tremelo - an alternative name for the GG!

Because I can't seem to stop yanking my whammy bar.

[Nasty_Cabbage]

54 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And me. It's Thatguy's kind of thing. I haven't dipped into it for some time though.

...and Timmy Tremelo - an alternative name for the GG!

I don't know. If you've ever had to deal with goats in real life you know that being able to master and command them is a hell of a feat. I think I'd be intimidated by anyone who was able to wield such power.

I wonder if bighorn rams can be domesticated? I'd love to keep one around trained to charge at my friends whenever they annoy me.

NP: ▶︎ Fell Light In Windy Cloud (NP-XVII) | Tírad Dûr | Night of the Palemoon (bandcamp.com)

I knew I had to listen to this since apparently somewhere out there some one has captured my likeness in statue form when I open the fridge to discover some one has eaten all my fancy cheese.