Black Metal

[Iceni]

Finntroll aren't black metal but I sure don't like them. Almost every time I've heard them they have bored me immensely...I don't like any of the big three Finnish folk bands. Of those three, Korpiklaani is definitely folk and Ensiferum is probably the closest to black metal.

[RelentlessOblivion]

having also heard all three bands I can say I find Finntroll the most tolerable though I'm not exactly keen on any of them

[BlutAusNerd]

Finntroll aren't black metal but I sure don't like them. Almost every time I've heard them they have bored me immensely...I don't like any of the big three Finnish folk bands. Of those three' date=' Korpiklaani is definitely folk and Ensiferum is probably the closest to black metal.[/quote'] Finntroll are by far the most black metal of the bands that you mentioned here. I would still very much put them in the folk metal category, but they do have a large black metal influence, much like their viking brethren Moonsorrow. Finntroll is also the best of those 3 bands, and I'm not sure how you could find them boring. They're insanely energetic, almost erratic, and are easily one of the most fun and entertaining bands out there. I know that they're definitely not for everyone, but boring is not a label I could see being applied to them in any circumstance.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Finntroll are far from boring there's just something about their music I find off-putting for some reason

[Iceni]

Finntroll are by far the most black metal of the bands that you mentioned here. I would still very much put them in the folk metal category' date=' but they do have a large black metal influence, much like their viking brethren Moonsorrow. Finntroll is also the best of those 3 bands, and I'm not sure how you could find them boring. They're insanely energetic, almost erratic, and are easily one of the most fun and entertaining bands out there. I know that they're definitely not for everyone, but boring is not a label I could see being applied to them in any circumstance.[/quote'] I suppose I don't remember much of what I heard from Finntroll.

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

I mostly prefer Melodic Metal so im not a BM fan, although I love Venom hehe

[slayer85]

I mostly prefer Melodic Metal so im not a BM fan' date=' although I love Venom hehe [/quote'] If u like Venom you might like some thrash influenced BM like Desaster, Witchtrap, or similar bands!

[RelentlessOblivion]

or some of the more melodious BM bands for that matter Dave I suspect you would probably be able to get into melodic death metal as well, bands like Dark Tranquility and Arch Enemy for example might be a good way to start exploring the genre more

[Iceni]

for that matter Dave I suspect you would probably be able to get into melodic death metal as well' date=' bands like Dark Tranquility and Arch Enemy for example might be a good way to start exploring the genre more[/quote'] I think Vengeance Rising might be a good one to ease him from thrash more into death metal, they sort of bridge the genre. As far as melodeath is concerned...Immortal Soul might not be a bad place to start. They're definitely not the best melodeath band out there, but they did help me to get a feel for the genre so that I could start to appreciate stuff like Insomnium. Speaking of melodic BM, maybe we need to alert Dave to the existence of Melechesh.

[BlutAusNerd]

I think Vengeance Rising might be a good one to ease him from thrash more into death metal, they sort of bridge the genre. As far as melodeath is concerned...Immortal Soul might not be a bad place to start. They're definitely not the best melodeath band out there, but they did help me to get a feel for the genre so that I could start to appreciate stuff like Insomnium. Speaking of melodic BM, maybe we need to alert Dave to the existence of Melechesh.

Melechesh is certainly thrashy and riffy enough to fit the bill for him. However, I've tried a few death/thrash and black/thrash hybrids out on him before without much success, so I'm not sure what will actually help to make the transition. Who knows, Dave may just be one of those guys that doesn't dig that stuff, it's not like they're few and far between. Even the biggest death metal bands don't usually sell as many records as 2nd or 3rd tier traditional metal, progressive metal, power metal, or gothic metal bands do.

[RelentlessOblivion]

I think we could get through to dave since he digs the shit out of Bolt Thrower and Death

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene I am very willing to try these out please please please :3

[deathstorm]

i remember hearing about samoth of emperior and zyklon went to jail for burning down a church in norway i wonder anyone remember that

[RelentlessOblivion]

there were a lot of BM musicians who went to jail in Norway, those idiots should all be purged from the Earth it's thanks to them that BM and metal more broadly has such negative stigma attached to it

[MOFOZOSO]

The movies One-Man Metal and Until the Light Takes Us were interesting in terms of history and psychology, but I don't really care for the musical style or the dress-up.

[Iceni]

I am very willing to try these out please please please :3

OK. Try out 'Sphynx' by Melechesh. The lyrical themes are about Sumerian paganism, and the riffs and drums will probably be to your liking. I'm just checking them out myself. aI3l8j6vvec

[RelentlessOblivion]

and the middle-Eastern touch doesn't hurt either, Djinn also touches on this middle-Eastern touch drawing in more mythology from the region (as the title suggests), their Mystics Of The Pillars 8 EP is also pretty good though personally I think As Jerusalem Burns...Al'Intisar is their best album

[That Dude With The Shades]

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[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

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Grom is actually my favorite Behemoth album. I dig their newer stuff, but they were awesome playing that pagan eastern European black metal sound their own way. I was surprised that they busted out Moonspell Rites when I saw them live a couple of years ago, you should check out the ...And the Forests Dream Eternally EP and Sventevith too. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Iceni]

Grom is actually my favorite Behemoth album. I dig their newer stuff' date=' but they were awesome playing that pagan eastern European black metal sound their own way. I was surprised that they busted out Moonspell Rites when I saw them live a couple of years ago, you should check out the ...And the Forests Dream Eternally EP and Sventevith too.[/quote'] That's what I find funny about the ridiculous allegations that metal can't have any religion in it. It more or less precludes all folk metal in existence, not to mention Rudra and Orphaned Land. For that matter, even a lot of black metal bands have religious undertones - I understand Burzum holds to a Norse neopaganism and Behemoth has or had a kind of Slavic pagan thing going on.

[That Dude With The Shades]

Grom is actually my favorite Behemoth album. I dig their newer stuff, but they were awesome playing that pagan eastern European black metal sound their own way. I was surprised that they busted out Moonspell Rites when I saw them live a couple of years ago, you should check out the ...And the Forests Dream Eternally EP and Sventevith too. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

I definitely prefer their old black metal vocals to the newer ones. Still, I think that they've improved musically as time's gone on.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

That's what I find funny about the ridiculous allegations that metal can't have any religion in it. It more or less precludes all folk metal in existence' date=' not to mention Rudra and Orphaned Land. For that matter, even a lot of black metal bands have religious undertones - I understand Burzum holds to a Norse neopaganism and Behemoth has or had a kind of Slavic pagan thing going on.[/quote'] Early on Behemoth did have a more pagan outlook, but along with the sound change came a lyrical shift toward topics like Hermetic magick and Luciferianism. I don't pay much attention to the lyrics, but the symbology they use certainly seems to suggest that this is their view. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

I definitely prefer their old black metal vocals to the newer ones. Still' date=' I think that they've improved musically as time's gone on.[/quote'] Nergal was definitely a better vocalist early on. You could definitely say that their music has progressed and their playing has become more technical and complex, but I would certainly not call it better. That is my preference though, I just like their early black metal sound better, despite enjoying all of their albums. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[deathstorm]

anoother thing about black metal which i find is interesting they are now using real orchestras now instead of programmed ones

[Iceni]

Early on Behemoth did have a more pagan outlook' date=' but along with the sound change came a lyrical shift toward topics like Hermetic magick and Luciferianism. I don't pay much attention to the lyrics, but the symbology they use certainly seems to suggest that this is their view.[/quote'] Also, it does contribute to my main point that the absence of a metaphysical element is not a prerequisite for good metal music. It seems like this should be evident, and yet still I see claims sprinkled about that it's somehow contrary to the spirit of metal to do so, as if there's some sort of original tome of Scripture detailing the proper mindset of a metal band...