Black Metal

[Metalhead Steve]

There's honestly very little black metal that I can tolerate. Most of it sounds worse to me than deathcore would to NTNR.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene Black metal is one of my favorite genres of music. I don't really care for the rhetoric or the image, it's all about the music for me. I like it all different ways, mixed with most any genre, old or new, I don't care so long as it sounds good. My favorite albums are mostly from the end of the first wave and start of the second wave though, I believe that black metal was at its best between 1987-1994, but there has still been a ton of great stuff from before and after that. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Metalhead Steve]

I don't know. Maybe it sounds too unrefined to me? Not quite sure of the word for it, but one thing is that I cannot fucking stand black metal vocals. I would shove a concrete fucking block down the throats of most black metal vocalists if given the chance.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

I don't know. Maybe it sounds too unrefined to me? Not quite sure of the word for it' date=' but one thing is that I cannot fucking stand black metal vocals. I would shove a concrete fucking block down the throats of most black metal vocalists if given the chance.[/quote'] They're not for everyone, but I'm also guessing that you're most familiar with the vocal and instrumental style of more popular black metal bands. This genre is HUGE and more varied than most give it credit for, you should explore more sides of it before you write it off completely. Maybe check out some of my video recommendations in the Suggestions thread of the black metal section, that should at least paint a broader picture of it for you. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Metalhead Steve]

From viewing the videos... I like it and don't like it at the same time. Does that make sense? It sounds somewhat good but at the same time I don't want to listen to it. I don't know, I wish I could better explain it. :\

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

From viewing the videos... I like it and don't like it at the same time. Does that make sense? It sounds somewhat good but at the same time I don't want to listen to it. I don't know, I wish I could better explain it. :\

If you gave it a fair shot, that's all that I can ask for. I just don't like when people form strong and conclusive opinions about something that they haven't even scratched the surface of. It grows on some over time though, maybe try again in a few years and see if your tastes have changed, as mine did with death metal, crust/d-beat/hardcore, sludge metal, and proto-metal/classic rock. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Metalhead Steve]

Oh, my opinion is bound to change in less than a few years. Metal has been growing back on me FAST. I only started listening to it again back in November, shortly after I met my girlfriend who is as obsessed with metal as I am (again). Two or three months ago, I couldn't stand most death, including the earlier albums of In Flames. Now it's one of my favorite genres (still a decent amount I won't listen to, though). Two months ago I said I would never like deathcore, and now I find myself listening to Whitechapel and Winds of Plague on a regular basis. We'll see how my taste changes for black metal, as I'm already starting to like it. I'd still love to make sense of how I like it but don't want to listen to it at the same time. It's an odd feeling that I can't really explain. I find most subgenres (if not all except Nu-metal) of metal are somewhat acquired tastes. Especially the heavier genres such as death, deathcore, and black.

[ReturntoCarthage]

Black metal sucks I hate it. Death metal is even worse.

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

I give every genre a chance, doing so I have learnt to enjoy Death Metal, the genres I enjoy atm are in order of the most; #1.Trad Heavy Metal/NWOBHM #2.Thrash #3.Death+Power+Doom (can't decide XD) so, I am willing to give every other genre a go

[deathstorm]

i like black metal such as emperor immortal dimmu borgir black metal is not for everyone i have respect for the sub genre they talent ina unique way neglfar as well

[Scullicon]

Black Metal is probably my favorite ''genre'' as long as it is a genre in my eyes. And for me is about more than just the music, Its partly about the image(even thou i dont like the word),partly about the attitude and partly about Satan (as a symbolic figure at least). The term christian black metal is just laughable. Its in its essence to be satanic to some extent. So i would say that it is not a distinct type of sound that represents black metal to me, its more about the whole package.

[forge]

I love black metal. I don't take the imagery too literally. I look at it like a horror story. More adventure than anything. Didn't used to like the sound at all, but then I listened to a bit online, and I was hooked. I love to listen to black metal on the way to work. Puts something extra in the mood of the day!

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

Black Metal is probably my favorite ''genre'' as long as it is a genre in my eyes. And for me is about more than just the music, Its partly about the image(even thou i dont like the word),partly about the attitude and partly about Satan (as a symbolic figure at least). The term christian black metal is just laughable. Its in its essence to be satanic to some extent. So i would say that it is not a distinct type of sound that represents black metal to me, its more about the whole package.

I disagree, the sound should embody that black metal feeling, and while I could see the image as being a reflection of that in some cases, its importance should not exceed that of the music. If you mention the importance of Satan as a symbol, it would be as a symbol of rebellion and individuality. Ironically, that rebellion and individuality is crushed by conforming to the standards set by the images and precedents set by the pioneering black metal bands. I would prefer for a band to come to Satan, God, Odin, Pan, or whomever of their own accord and while following their own path, nobody else's, that to me is more the essence of the black metal spirit. Crushing barriers, primal self expression, personal spirituality, and a hatred of oppressive religions not limited to Christianity. Christianity is the best to use for western society as the target for whom you have been oppressed by, but should not be limited to that. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[slayer85]

For Me... I tend to gravitate toward the attitude as some of you have pointed out. The attitude reminds me alot of hardcore punk rock. I love how most of the bands in that genre give a rightful "fuck you" to religous institutions while maintaining a nihilist, and individual mindset into the genre. Some bands have such a powerful and dark sound. And I believe that is the sole intent of the music, along with the imagery.

[That Dude With The Shades]

I like some of the music, but I greatly dislike the genre orhodox approach some people approach it with, as well as the hyper-nationalism, hatred, and violence espoused by some of the bands. Also, I think corpse pain looks stupid, though I know not all black metal bands use it.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

For Me... I tend to gravitate toward the attitude as some of you have pointed out. The attitude reminds me alot of hardcore punk rock. I love how most of the bands in that genre give a rightful "fuck you" to religous institutions while maintaining a nihilist' date=' and individual mindset into the genre. Some bands have such a powerful and dark sound. And I believe that is the sole intent of the music, along with the imagery.[/quote'] It's definitely more focused on attitude and atmosphere than technicality and clarity, like some other metal genres. The nihilistic perspective is exactly what I was talking about in response to Scully's comment, destroying the idols so to speak in order to carve out a new direction. Just following the same things as bands before you just for the sake of it, as opposed to arriving at that view based on your own experiences, seems to contradict black metal's purpose. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

I like some of the music' date=' but I greatly dislike the genre orhodox approach some people approach it with, as well as the hyper-nationalism, hatred, and violence espoused by some of the bands. Also, I think corpse pain looks stupid, though I know not all black metal bands use it.[/quote'] Trust me dude, black metal seems populated by more idiots and assholes than any metal genre, which is certainly saying something. You don't have to be a fun guy to make great music though, and it's not as though I plan on being friends with guys like Varg or Kvarforth. I don't like corpsepaint much either, but I can't hear that corpsepaint when I'm playing the album, so it doesn't bother me. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[The Soiled Knight]

Black Metal was the hardest genre for me to get into. But I do love many BM bands. I just need to be able to hear an atmosphere if you see what I mean and it all depends on the song more than the band. I take Black Metal song by song and not band by band, otherwise I don't think I would really like the genre. Maybe what I'm saying sounds stupid or unclear^^ For example I really like the songs Jeg Faller and Keliohesten by Burzum but I'm not a huge fan of the rest I heard from them. Regarding to all the nationalist, racist and other stuff in Black Metal, I don't really care in fact. I never paid too much attention to this in Black Metal. My favourite band is Peste Noire, I really like the majority of their songs but I disagree with almost everything the guy is saying. Since I have to check the lyrics for most Black Metal songs and don't always have the time ( or just think to do it ) I mainly listen to it for the music and not what they are talking about.

[benktg]

I Love Dimmu Borgir but have a very "tunnel visioned" taste when it comes to black metal.... Dimmu are one of my fave bands ever but i cannot stand Cradle of filth.....so....

[Scullicon]

I disagree, the sound should embody that black metal feeling, and while I could see the image as being a reflection of that in some cases, its importance should not exceed that of the music. If you mention the importance of Satan as a symbol, it would be as a symbol of rebellion and individuality. Ironically, that rebellion and individuality is crushed by conforming to the standards set by the images and precedents set by the pioneering black metal bands. I would prefer for a band to come to Satan, God, Odin, Pan, or whomever of their own accord and while following their own path, nobody else's, that to me is more the essence of the black metal spirit. Crushing barriers, primal self expression, personal spirituality, and a hatred of oppressive religions not limited to Christianity. Christianity is the best to use for western society as the target for whom you have been oppressed by, but should not be limited to that. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

Well the language is against me in this, i didnt get the point out that i tried to do. First of i mentioned the satanic imagery as an aspect of black metal that i value, and that aspect dont have to be just satanic, just some clumsy writing from my side. I was using satan as umbrella term who could easily be whatever form, deity or symbols the band wish to use, wherever they use Kali, Loki or Behemoth. Since mocking christianity is like kicking in an open door. So what we are disagreeing about here is my use of the term satan.? The essence is absolutely more about personal spirituality and hatred against oppression. i know that the imagery used by many black metal bands today are set by standards of early bands as the use of corpsepaint for example. But those certain elements feels like they belong. Logically as you say they would have to be done differently. But the feeling is more important when it comes to black metal. So i say again, its the whole package of black metal that really gets my attention. The music comes first off course.

[frost]

I Love Dimmu Borgir but have a very "tunnel visioned" taste when it comes to black metal.... Dimmu are one of my fave bands ever but i cannot stand Cradle of filth.....so....

Cradle of filth aren't black metal. Neither are dimmu borgir. As for black metal, I love it! One of my favourite styles for sure.

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene hehe Frost you beat me to it! XD I was about to say that lol

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

Cradle of filth aren't black metal. Neither are dimmu borgir. As for black metal, I love it! One of my favourite styles for sure.

They were at one point, but neither have been for almost 15 years. Both still have some black metal elements in their sound, but are gothic metal and melodeath respectively now. By the way, did you ever check out Nazxul? One of my favorite black metal bands from your land, sort of similar to Emperor's earliest albums, but with less keyboards. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[deathstorm]

when i was looking at a website fye the music store cause i was checking metal cds put slayer in the search well they have them listed under trash death metal and black metal i know they are trash any thoughts on that

[forge]

Yeah, that's interesting. I guess labels change every few years. I would always call Slayer thrash. In the things they write about, they have some similarity to the black metal sound, but their own sound is definitely thrash. Maybe the people at the store organized it that way because they just know about the album covers.