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Manson is a shock rock. Hatebreed is yeah to extent Soundgarden is grudge. Chevelle is more rock helmet is metal I think. Glassjaw not familiar with them. Therapy I think. Melvin's are punk
Thanks for the opinion! Little different to my take on it. In my usual way, I'll now try and make a comprehensive essay out of my opinions! Marilyn Manson: not Metal: he definitely employs some pretty Metal characteristics in his music, but I think, again, that there are too many other genres going on for one to just call his band a Metal act... these include Glam Rock, Alternative Rock, Industrial and even a considerable dose of Pop (albeit employed in a dark, twisted way). Hatebreed: I agree with you on 'to an extent', Deathstorm. The problem is: to what extent is it and is it enough to qualify them as a Metal act? I'd say just about. They definitely play a mix of Metal and Hardcore Punk, but I feel the Metal to be ever-so-slightly more important to their music than the Hardcore. This is pure opinion though: not a fact;just the 'vibe' I seem to get. It really is, like, 55% Metal, 45% Hardcore, though! Soundgarden: Grunge/Heavy Rock, with a few 'Metal' bits... tracks like Jesus Christ Pose, Outshined, Rusty Cage etc. come to mind. Chevelle: I would say heavy alternative rock Helmet: not been listening to them long... very hard to determine what these guys come under. Metal? Rock? Post-Hardcore? I'd say all three, really. I'd probably just call them a very heavy rock band, though. Alternative Metal could maybe do it. Glassjaw... I'd say not Metal, but that first record is still very heavy and metal-influenced. They're definitely a Post-Hardcore/Screamo band, though (the good kind- not that Falling In Reverse/Sleeping with Sirens bollocks!... here's a link as you said you hadn't heard them:
Therapy: Melodic heavy Rock with a punk influence as well. They get called Pop Metal and I get that. Not in a bad way, though. They're a fun band! Melvins: I'd say Metal, with those thick sludgy riffs, but I definitely see where the Punk comes in. Now, wasn't that just completely fucking enthralling?! ;)
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Ha cheers mate :D I love Alice cooper he is awesome :)
Haha, I'm not personally a huge fan. I more 'appreciate' him than actually enjoy sitting down and listening to his music. I do like Manson, but I saw him supporting Rob Zombie last year and he was a bit... shit... I enjoyed it because I like his songs, but he definitely didn't perform well! Lucky Rob Zombie more than made up for it!
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Have you seen Rob Zombie live? It might change your mind. When I saw him I hadn't really listened to much of his music for a long time and I was more excited to see Manson as I'd discovered his stuff a bit more recently so he was fresher for me. Seeing them reminded me why I loved Zombie in the first place!

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1. Beiber OF COURSE SHE IS! She is fucking metal, with all those tattoos and shit and a hot girlfriend nah just shitting on you. OF COURSE NOT! 2. Slipknot. Yes. My current fav band. Though at some terms they aren't metal, they are heavy as fuck so that makes them metal. I agree with OP on those soft songs metal bands make. Maggot 4ever 3. Korn. Haven't heard any of them. Joey Jordison likes them so gotta respect. 4. P.O.D. Not metal. Some are, like one of their tens of songs. 5. Avenged Sevenfold. Just heard only one, the song This Means War. I bothered to hear it because its said to copy Sad But True, its true. And referring to the song, its pretty Hard Rock at all. Not sure out of all the songs they have (sorry A7X fans) 6. Linkin Park. Haven't heard. 7. System of a Down. Yep. 8. Godsmack. Haven't 9. Disturbed. Yes. A nu-metal band that almost got no hate. :D10. Rob Zombie. Haven't 11. Rammstein. Yes. Germany, bitches.

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Have you seen Rob Zombie live? It might change your mind. When I saw him I hadn't really listened to much of his music for a long time and I was more excited to see Manson as I'd discovered his stuff a bit more recently so he was fresher for me. Seeing them reminded me why I loved Zombie in the first place!
Gotta say, having seen him once or twice, he's a terrible frontman IMO. He couldn't handle his vocal parts, seemed tired and out of breath the whole time, and did way too much of his signature "yeaaaah" at random points. I still like Sexorcisto although it doesn't get me anywhere near as pumped as it used to, and some of the stuff on Hellbilly has nostalgia value for me...
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Hmm, for me all this new-metal (or nu-metal, whatever) genre has nothing to do with metal. Yet it's just my opinion. The only band that has something to do with metal is Slipknot. Though I don't like it either. Hah, I am more concern if Anal Cunt is a metal band (for you). For me it's quite obvious that it is, although Metal Archives admins seems to think quite the opposite :P

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I joined to ask basically the same question - I'd like to get metalheads' opinions on crust punk. It definitely sounds very metal, and honestly, there's no other metal genre I like as much. The best crust bands - Amebix, Sarabante, His Hero is Gone, Jungbluth, Axegrinder - sound so passionate, and so beautifully down/dark/apocalyptic. There's nothing else that does it for me like crust punk in heavy music.

 

If I had to choose between punk and metal, then I'd definitely say that crust punk is more on the punk side. The genre is a mainstay of the hardcore scene, and it sounds very natural alongside genres like post-hardcore and street punk. That said, its place in the development of metal is significant. Crust really developed out of the anarcho-punk scene - bands like Amebix and Antisect were part of the same anarcho scene as bands like Crass and Flux of Pink Indians. They were very engaged with the music that was coming out of punk at the time, and Amebix's biggest influence was the post-punk group Killing Joke. I know they were also big fans of goth pioneers Bauhaus. That said, like most heavy bands at the time, they were also really into Motörhead, and that influence really comes through. Some people have said they're influenced by Venom - bassist Rob Miller has always denied this, but Amebix and Venom sound so similar that I don't know what to think about that.

 

When considering metal's relation to crust, it needs to be noted that grindcore pretty much literally developed out of crust. Most of the early grind bands, most notably Napalm Death, basically started out as crust punk bands. It's also notable that Amebix and Discharge have been massively influential in metal - Amebix was a key inspiration for everyone from Neurosis to Sepultura. 

 

With today's crust bands (sometimes called "neocrust"), there's a ton of crossover between crust and genres like sludge metal and black metal. The current "it" buzz band of blackened crust seems to be Iskra.

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Crust certain has influenced metal but that doesn't make it metal. Crust has a metallic sound at times but has far more of the punk trappings. I'll admit to not being super into or knledgeable about it but that's how I see things. Even grindcore has more in common with punk then most admit. There's a fair bit of crossover of course and that's cool. I enjoy hearing what happens when the genre lines get a bit blurred.

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