Are [insert band name here] metal?

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Just Wondering what people thought, Led Zep, Budgie, Deep Purple, U.F.O, Blue Oyster Cult.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock? All arguably heavy metal at one point or another, though most for not very long.

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock?

All arguably heavy metal at one point or another' date=' though most for not very long.[/quote'] Thats what i thought, they are all hard rock in my book really but some of their stuff is quite heavy, boc is defo hard rock.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock? 7 Screaming Diz-Busters always sounded pretty metal to me: 3Y1ZecQgWiI

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock?

7 Screaming Diz-Busters always sounded pretty metal to me: 3Y1ZecQgWiI

Does a bit yeah.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock? I remember the guitar tone being a lot bigger on the live album On Your Feet or On Your Knees, really emphasizes the fast/heavy riff.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock? don't forget about the monster solo from Don't Fear The Reaper, totally contrasts the rest of the song, BOC are mainly rock/hard rock though perhaps a little on the heavier side, Zepplin are hard rock pure and simple, Deep Purple are much closer to metal, UFO are pure hard rock but all are awesome

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: These Bands: Heavy Metal Or Hard Rock? I'm not as familiar with UFO as the others, but I have heard a song of theirs that sounded like 70's metal, though I don't remember the name. However, the debuts from BOC and Zep do have some metal songs, the aforementioned 7 Screaming Diz-Busters, Cities on Flame, and Good Times, Bad Times, Dazed and Confused, and especially Communication Breakdown from Zep were pretty metallic. Some people like to draw the line a little differently, only wanting to include bands that were purely metal on every song, but then I like to remind those people that a good chunk of Black Sabbath's debut (the point where most of those people make that cutoff) is made up of blues covers.

[stormblasting7737]

here is a list of artists who are "borderline metal" vote yes or no for each one. 1. Queen 2. Blue oyster cult 3. Paganini (the violinist)

[satan 59]

I'd say No to all but that's just IMO.

[gus666]

I've said it before and I'll say it again-the term 'heavy metal' means different things in the different decades of music. So it's a changing debate as time goes on. But, in the '70s, '80s (and probably the '90s) BOC were considered a heavy metal band. As were many (AC/DC, Lizzy, UFO, Led Zepplin, Judas Priest etc). Their fans liked all these bands, and it was almost exclusively heavy metal fans who liked them. They were in that 'genre'. Queen were never considered as heavy metal. Ever. A rock band in the context of The Who or Stones. It was more a case of some metal fans liked them, as opposed to Queen fans being generally heavy metal fans. Can't speak about the other band.

[RelentlessOblivion]

by accepted definition none of those artists would be metal in the modern sense, but then in the modern sense early Judas Priest would also not be considered metal, it is a genre that constantly redefines itself and twenty years from now I imagine this debate being about whether Slayer, Metallica and Iron Maiden are metal or not

[gus666]

by accepted definition none of those artists would be metal in the modern sense' date=' but then in the modern sense early Judas Priest would also not be considered metal, it is a genre that constantly redefines itself and twenty years from now I imagine this debate being about whether Slayer, Metallica and Iron Maiden are metal or not[/quote'] Exactly Oblivion. I can only speak as I saw it in the '70s, regarding Queen & BOC. Different set of parameters for different periods in time.

[BlutAusNerd]

by accepted definition none of those artists would be metal in the modern sense' date=' but then in the modern sense early Judas Priest would also not be considered metal, it is a genre that constantly redefines itself and twenty years from now I imagine this debate being about whether Slayer, Metallica and Iron Maiden are metal or not[/quote'] Fuck the "modern sense", heavy metal is heavy metal. Back then, heavy metal was still breaking away from rock, and some harder rock bands and less heavy metal bands had similar sounds, so many hard rock bands were called heavy metal bands back then when they shouldn't have been, but now the sliding scale is trying to group them all back into hard rock territory. As far as the bands above go, I've heard songs from BOC and Queen that were quite metallic, enough so that I could give them the vote even just for a few songs. Paganini, however, was long before the time of heavy metal, despite being influenced by it. Blue Oyster Cult - Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (basically the same main riff as Black Sabbath's The Wizard, and if you don't think Sabbath is metal, you're brain dead): 0OBs6S1lW_Q Queen - Stone Cold Crazy (proto speed metal song, reminds be of something Deep Purple might have done, another band incorrectly labeled as hard rock): AnGaEk0rZdU

[RelentlessOblivion]

I'm a huge BOC fan and I can see them being categorised in either category, Queen on the other hand were a rock band with metallic moments, they did them well though

[satan 59]

Queen where a rock band and these days a sad shadow of their former selves. Don't know much about BOC apart from the general stuff, so can't comment.

[theheavymetalblogger666]

to me and in my opinion they re influence on heavy metal. in the since that they influenced so of the later heavy metal bands. i would agree with guest 666 heavy metal means different things in different decades. i would say queen and blue oyster cult are hard rock. queen crosses over into prog rock to.

[theheavymetalblogger666]

love zep love purple the other to i haven't heard much off. love UFO to and yes they where all metal at one point

[Mecca]

Metalheads! This one is going to grind some gears....basically this post is my opinion of why the 10 bands below are "metal" or "not metal". This is purely my opinion so comments and discussion are encouraged. This post is part of the "Metal Basics" series on my blog but has been slightly abridged for this forum. It builds on my post "what the hell is metal anyway". Please note that there is some tongue and cheek in this article and it may help if you read "what the hell is metal anyway" before absolutely crucifying me in the comments Disclaimers and context I want to begin by saying that I do not subscribe to the whole "this isn't 'true' metal" way of thinking. If the song is metal, it's metal. If it's not metal, it's not metal. To use a much clichéd example - Metallica's first 5 albums are metal (yes, I consider the Black Album metal - which I discussed here). Load and Reload are not metal. That's it - clear cut. None of this "true metal" BS. You may also notice that many of the bands below could be considered "nu-metal". This is a debate for another day, but to me the genre of "nu-metal" deviates too significantly from "metal" that makes it not metal (despite having metal influences). Compare this to say "death metal" or "thrash metal" which are different stylings of metal, but nonetheless they adhere to 99% of metal elements. "Nu-metal" is more like 99% not metal, 1% metal - really exaggerated but done so to make my point. I will elaborate on this in my next Metal Basics post entitled "subgenres…does metal need them?" on another day. Let the debate begin (let's try keep the hate to a minimum yeah?)! 1) Is Justin Bieber Metal? Let's start off with an easy one. No (but the death growls, blast beats and technical guitar work do put it on the cusp of the metal genre). 2) Are Slipknot Metal? Ah, the band that "tr00" metalheads LOVE TO HATE. Personally, I don't get the hate. Maybe it's the gimmicky get up they have with the masks and uniforms, maybe it's because they use turntables or maybe because they can be considered mainstream and successful. For me, the use of non-metal elements does not automatically disqualify a band from being "metal" (unless it is totally overwhelming - e.g. 50 cent rapping over Sylosis riffs). It is the removal of certain of elements that makes a song not metal (again, my opinion only). So the use of turntables is fine for me. Of course, there are Slipknot songs which shy away from the metal sound (thinking Dead Memories), but many metal records have these songs for diversity and to break the record up so it is not just 100% balls to the wall. E.g. A Tout Le Monde off Cryptic Writings, The Hardest Part of Letting Go off Endgame, Nothing Else Matters off The Black Album. Metal bands can write non-metal songs. Whether you hate them or love them (are you a maggot?), in my opinion, Slipknot are METAL and there are no two ways about it. 3) Are Korn Metal? On balance, I don't think Korn should be considered Metal, which actually aligns with frontman Jonathan Davis' own thoughts. You can't deny that they have metal elements, such as downtuned guitars, occasional harsh vocals and some really really mean breakdowns (Freak On a Leash). But when you look at Korn holistically, they deviate from Metal stylings more than adhering to it. Not METAL but some cool tunes. 4) Are P.O.D metal? Slightly easier decision than Korn for me because P.O.D doesn't really make me want to bang my head or get my blood pumping (whilst not necessarily fatal to P.O.D being metal, it does make it an uphill battle). Having said that, they do have heavy distorted guitars, but the vocals are not really aggressive enough. Now of course Power Metal bands don't have aggressive vocals, and nor does Belladonna era Anthrax....but these bands possess other elements that kick them back into the metal realm. P.O.D doesn't have the same elements. Not METAL, but some cool tunes. 5) Are Avenged Sevenfold metal? I think they just slip into the metal genre for me. Although they don't do it for me personally, they do possess some pretty metal elements in terms of their instruments. The only thing potentially questionable are the vocals - but not entirely fatal to A7X being considered metal in my books. METAL (but closer to being not metal than being really metal). 6) Are Linkin Park metal? OK, I have no shame at all in saying this on a metal forum, but I actually really enjoy Hybrid Theory and Meteora (their first two albums). It does get me pumping and banging my head - think One Step Closer (ok, not in the same way I would to say... Cannibal Corpse). They have metal elements like the distorted guitars etc and the occasional screams from Chester (but then again Linkin Park mostly rap and do clean singing) but they don't really have solos, double kicks etc. My conclusion? Not metal but really heavy rock with rap/hip hop influences (their most recent releases is more just radio rock imo). 7) Are System of A Down metal? For me, SOAD are not metal but they have really AMAZING vocals and some memorable guitar riffs. I like to describe them as having some metal-esque riffs (and screams) in non metal songs, such as in BYOB or Chop Suey. Yeah you can bang your head to some songs, they have some heavy riffs, but on the whole SOAD songs do not demonstrate metal elements on a consistent enough basis to fairly call it metal. Neither do I consider it hard rock either.....as Yoda would say, "an anomaly, System of a Down, is". 8) Are Godsmack metal? On a knife edge between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal - just tipping towards metal though. It's not particularly heavy, but metal does not necessarily need to be super heavy. They have some pretty grooving riffs though! In my opinion, Godsmack is metal that can played on the radio and non metalheads wouldn't go "OMG WHAT IS THAT?". Metal in my books, even if just by a whisker \m/ 9) Are Disturbed metal? Pretty similar vein to Godsmack really. They started off not really as a metal band (The Sickness) but have developed their "metal" sound throughout their 5 CD discography. Yep, definitely metal, but not too heavy. Disturbed is metal that can played on the radio and non metalheads wouldn't go "OMG WHAT IS THAT?" 10) Is Rob Zombie metal? Metal but some songs drift into the hard rock category and some electro elements. Not all that contentious in my opinion - overall definitely METAL. 11) Are Rammstein metal? Again, not all that contentious in my opinion despite many songs only meeting Step Two in my opinion. Rammstein is a strange one but I believe it would be incorrect to to call them not metal. Sorry this is a rather weak argument but the "feel and vibe" overall says metal to me. Like I alluded to above in Slipknot, many metal bands write ballads or non metal songs in their CDs. Rammstein just does more "ballads" or non metal songs than other metal bands do. Honourable Mentions Cannibal Corpse, Testament and At The Gates are definitely pop. Anyone who says otherwise is tonedeaf Let me know your thoughts metalheads...I'm bound to have pissed someone off with this post! \m/ecca

[Metallisydän]

Just got lost with that "P.O.D" thing. What's it? 8D

[forge]

A Christian metal band that had some big songs in the U.S. a few years ago. "Alive" and "Youth of the Nation," to mention a couple.

[Mecca]

Just got lost with that "P.O.D" thing. What's it? 8D

What forge said haha What are your thoughts anyway? Agree/disagree with me? Interested to hear what people think...

[Mecca]

A Christian metal band that had some big songs in the U.S. a few years ago. "Alive" and "Youth of the Nation' date='" to mention a couple.[/quote'] What do you think forge? Agree/disagree with me? Surely people don't 100% agree because it's so damn subjective haha

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Are [insert band name here] metal? None of the bands that you asked the underlined questions about are metal. Most are nu-metal, which is a misnomer (much like glam metal) because there isn't any metal in it. Sure, you could trace maybe 10-20% of the influences back to metal, but they're presented in non-metal ways. You're right though, it's not the inclusion of turntables and rapping that makes them not metal, it's their failure to incorporate metal elements in anything less than a bastardized way, which is only to broaden their appeal to fans of supposedly "edgy music". You can dig it if you want, but there's no metal there. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Mecca]

None of the bands that you asked the underlined questions about are metal. Most are nu-metal, which is a misnomer (much like glam metal) because there isn't any metal in it. Sure, you could trace maybe 10-20% of the influences back to metal, but they're presented in non-metal ways. You're right though, it's not the inclusion of turntables and rapping that makes them not metal, it's their failure to incorporate metal elements in anything less than a bastardized way, which is only to broaden their appeal to fans of supposedly "edgy music". You can dig it if you want, but there's no metal there. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

Cheers for the comment - appreciate it. I'm glad that you agree with me about nu-metal not actually being metal...."Nu-metal" is more like 99% not metal, 1% metal - really exaggerated but done so to make my point". The hardest part when writing this post was, in my opinion, bands that have evolved or developed their sound. I am by no means a maggot, but I find it extremely difficult to say Slipknot are not metal despite their nu-metal elements in my opinion (in particular their later releases). I'm interested in what you mean by incorporating metal elements in a "bastardised way"? If I interpret that correctly (which I may not be), you are saying they have incorporated metal elements but have done so poorly. In my opinion, it still makes it metal, albeit metal I don't like. But yes regardless of whether it is metal or not (I am just interested from an academic point of view), power to those who like the music.