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Caught in a debate on Facebook (that pillar of common sense and intelligent, well-researched debate) about the EU Referendum.  In response to my point about how largely pointless the result is because nothing will happen positively whether we are in or we are out, and how one side blame immigrants for all that is ill with the UK and how the other just wants to remain in the EU to legitimise its reign of terror, someone genuinely wrote "I don't blame immergrants!"

All hope is lost.

 

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55 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

Caught in a debate on Facebook (that pillar of common sense and intelligent, well-researched debate) about the EU Referendum.  In response to my point about how largely pointless the result is because nothing will happen positively whether we are in or we are out, and how one side blame immigrants for all that is ill with the UK and how the other just wants to remain in the EU to legitimise its reign of terror, someone genuinely wrote "I don't blame immergrants!"

All hope is lost.

 

I read what seemed a solid and detailed argument in favor of remaining. I could dig it up if you like. I don't know the ins and outs, but the sound of it, from my British friends online, is that most people in the Brexit camp are short-sighted, sloganeering nationalists. Is there more to it?

55 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

Caught in a debate on Facebook (that pillar of common sense and intelligent, well-researched debate) about the EU Referendum.  In response to my point about how largely pointless the result is because nothing will happen positively whether we are in or we are out, and how one side blame immigrants for all that is ill with the UK and how the other just wants to remain in the EU to legitimise its reign of terror, someone genuinely wrote "I don't blame immergrants!"

All hope is lost.

 

I read what seemed a solid and detailed argument in favor of remaining. I could dig it up if you like. I don't know the ins and outs, but the sound of it, from my British friends online, is that most people in the Brexit camp are short-sighted, sloganeering nationalists. Is there more to it?

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10 hours ago, FatherAlabaster said:

I read what seemed a solid and detailed argument in favor of remaining. I could dig it up if you like. I don't know the ins and outs, but the sound of it, from my British friends online, is that most people in the Brexit camp are short-sighted, sloganeering nationalists. Is there more to it?

Basically you can summarise it like this:

Brexit argument - "FUCKING IMMIGRANTS COMING OVER HERE TAKING ALL OUR JOBS SHAGGING ALL OUR WOMEN AND USING UP OUR HEALTHCARE AND BENEFITS (oh and yes, something about fishing and democracy back under our control blah, blah)"

Bremain argument - "I am David Cameron and I want to stay in the EU for the continued support of my rich European friends so that I can continue my reign of Terror in the UK and not get overthrown by an even bigger Establishment hugging prick called Boris Johnson."

Either way we wake up on the 24th June in a country that is still broken, still financially ruined form paying a "public" national debt that doesn't actually exist in real terms that we still have to endure crushing austerity to "reduce".  Nothing will change for the better regardless of which way the vote goes.

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4 hours ago, MacabreEternal said:

Basically you can summarise it like this:

Brexit argument - "FUCKING IMMIGRANTS COMING OVER HERE TAKING ALL OUR JOBS SHAGGING ALL OUR WOMEN AND USING UP OUR HEALTHCARE AND BENEFITS (oh and yes, something about fishing and democracy back under our control blah, blah)"

Bremain argument - "I am David Cameron and I want to stay in the EU for the continued support of my rich European friends so that I can continue my reign of Terror in the UK and not get overthrown by an even bigger Establishment hugging prick called Boris Johnson."

Either way we wake up on the 24th June in a country that is still broken, still financially ruined form paying a "public" national debt that doesn't actually exist in real terms that we still have to endure crushing austerity to "reduce".  Nothing will change for the better regardless of which way the vote goes.

My impression was that it would stand to get substantially worse if you guys left, though? Eh, what do I know, I'm just curious since I have so many British friends (mostly online), and I've been wading through opinions.

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1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

My impression was that it would stand to get substantially worse if you guys left, though? Eh, what do I know, I'm just curious since I have so many British friends (mostly online), and I've been wading through opinions.

It's a very privileged existence that we have in the EU.  Michael Moore in a recent interview said that we not only get to be part of the EU but we also get to keep our own money which in the grander scheme of things is a biggie as most other nations got the Euro!  He also compared it to football (let me know if I lose you here) saying that if we as a country are in the Premier League why would we opt to drop into the lower tiers of the football league and operate at division one level for example?  

There's a lot of conjecture and misquoted figures about what the EU costs and even blatant lies about where that "saved" money would go should we leave (£350 million a week back into the NHS - which is bollocks frankly).

 

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34 minutes ago, MacabreEternal said:

It's a very privileged existence that we have in the EU.  Michael Moore in a recent interview said that we not only get to be part of the EU but we also get to keep our own money which in the grander scheme of things is a biggie as most other nations got the Euro!  He also compared it to football (let me know if I lose you here) saying that if we as a country are in the Premier League why would we opt to drop into the lower tiers of the football league and operate at division one level for example?  

There's a lot of conjecture and misquoted figures about what the EU costs and even blatant lies about where that "saved" money would go should we leave (£350 million a week back into the NHS - which is bollocks frankly).

 

Thanks, that was the gist of the most informative article I read on the subject. I saw the headline of the Michael Moore bit, too, but didn't read it.

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Meanwhile in Australia our federal opposition completely fucked up their proposed budget leaving a $27 billion hole. That is over the course of their tenure should they win the election (three years for those who don't know). Realising this monumental stuff up they have announced a new plan - heavily reduce any and all government aided programs for single parent families, heavily reduce the single parent payment, tax superannuation. Basically they're going to screw over two groups of people who can ill afford such cuts - single parents and retirees.

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5 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

Meanwhile in Australia our federal opposition completely fucked up their proposed budget leaving a $27 billion hole. That is over the course of their tenure should they win the election (three years for those who don't know). Realising this monumental stuff up they have announced a new plan - heavily reduce any and all government aided programs for single parent families, heavily reduce the single parent payment, tax superannuation. Basically they're going to screw over two groups of people who can ill afford such cuts - single parents and retirees.

Ah the Conservative approach to government fuck ups. Punish those in no way responsible by crushing austerity.

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5 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said: Meanwhile in Australia our federal opposition completely fucked up their proposed budget leaving a $27 billion hole. That is over the course of their tenure should they win the election (three years for those who don't know). Realising this monumental stuff up they have announced a new plan - heavily reduce any and all government aided programs for single parent families, heavily reduce the single parent payment, tax superannuation. Basically they're going to screw over two groups of people who can ill afford such cuts - single parents and retirees.

Ah the Conservative approach to government fuck ups. Punish those in no way responsible by crushing austerity.

The irony of our Looney Left Wing opposition taking a 'Conservative' approach. Either way they're fucked.

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Not sure whether to be happy that I took out third in today's hillclimb and was two seconds off second or not. On the one hand it's the closest I've come to beating my brother since he took up the sport. On the other hills are my strong point and there's no way in hell I should have lost to him today. Granted I've been sick and so haven't had the best training over the last month or so but so has he so that's not a mitigating factor here. Actually now that I think about it I'm absolutely disgusted with today's performance. I do believe it's time to put myself through the toughest training block of my life and hopefully atone for this dismal display in the next race.

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