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What's metal about those? Just sounds like radio rock/mallcore to me. I think the only band that justifies the "alternative metal" label would be Faith No More.
I am just going by what Wikipedia says they are. I do not think generally alternative metal has growling vocals or anything. Even new Katatonia shit is listed as alternative metal. Dang don't get panties in a bunch we all aren't metal genre Einsteins like you are Blut.
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I am just going by what Wikipedia says they are. I do not think generally alternative metal has growling vocals or anything. Even new Katatonia shit is listed as alternative metal. Dang don't get panties in a bunch we all aren't metal genre Einsteins like you are Blut.
Not giving you shit, I just don't hear any metal in either band's sound, and feel that the label is a misnomer in the first place. As I said, the only band that I've ever heard that actually combines alternative and metal is Faith No More, everyone else that I've ever seen placed in this "catch all" type category is only one side of the equation, if any.
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What's metal about those? Just sounds like radio rock/mallcore to me. I think the only band that justifies the "alternative metal" label would be Faith No More.
Yeah, alternative metal, as it is used nowadays, does seem to apply solely to radio rock that is just a little 'heavier' than usual. I still like and use the description, but it is often mis-prescribed imo. Faith No More is definitely a band that I feel warrant that tag, and I'd probably throw Deftones and, to some extent, Tool in with that as well. NP: Explosions in the Sky - The World is Not a Cold Dead Place Continuing my post-rock binge. As the album title suggests, this ditches the common trope of dark, gloomy soundscapes in favour of something euphoric and blissful.
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Yeah, alternative metal, as it is used nowadays, does seem to apply solely to radio rock that is just a little 'heavier' than usual. I still like and use the description, but it is often mis-prescribed imo. Faith No More is definitely a band that I feel warrant that tag, and I'd probably throw Deftones and, to some extent, Tool in with that as well. NP: Explosions in the Sky - The World is Not a Cold Dead Place Continuing my post-rock binge. As the album title suggests, this ditches the common trope of dark, gloomy soundscapes in favour of something euphoric and blissful.
Deftones might fit it better than others, but I still don't hear much in the way of metal in their sound. Tool is more metallic, but I don't hear any alternative in their sound.
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65daysofstatic - The Fall of Math More awesome post-rock! Mogwai meets Aphex, with some - I wouldn't call them heavy, but certainly pretty loud and explosive riffs. Again, definitely on the uplifting, life-affirming side of the genre. Someone described it as sounding like a computer that generates post-rock being affected with a virus and still trying to carry on, despite the glitches. Pretty apt description, imo!

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Deftones might fit it better than others' date=' but I still don't hear much in the way of metal in their sound. Tool is more metallic, but I don't hear any alternative in their sound.[/quote'] I concede your point about Tool to some extent, though I do see where the comparison to bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden comes from, and I think that's perhaps why the 'alternative' tag follows them. But, in all honesty, I hear no less metal in Deftones' sound than in Faith No More's sound. Particularly their latest one, KNY - that shit's practically a simplified Isis with Chino on vocals, as far as I'm concerned! Ok, maybe that's going a bit far, but there's definitely a big post-metal vibe to that album.
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Btw' date=' BAN, I've been getting a little more interested in black metal recently, and I'd like to try and get into Blut Aus Nord, and for some reason I figured you might be the guy to ask about where to start? :)[/quote'] Of their more traditional black metal works, I would start with Memoria Vetusta I - Fathers of the Icy Age, and for their more modern/dissonant sound, start with The Work Which Transforms God.
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Not giving you shit' date=' I just don't hear any metal in either band's sound, and feel that the label is a misnomer in the first place. As I said, the only band that I've ever heard that actually combines alternative and metal is Faith No More, everyone else that I've ever seen placed in this "catch all" type category is only one side of the equation, if any.[/quote'] I will just have to agree to disagree. I would say if anything Flyleaf or Pulse Ultra are NOT STRICTLY alternative metal, so maybe that is why it is so difficult as I also see some post grunge in Flyleaf's older shit. I would for sure NOT say they are radio rock, at least old flyleaf, and I am pretty sure I only heard one song ever on the radio by pulse ultra, not to mention they are heavier than the usual three days grace and shit and tend to NOT have a repetitive sound in nearly every single song. Ok I am done, whatever each band is, I like it. haha. Also I apologize for that Einstein comment was kind of mean and WOAH I was a big cranky B yesterday!!!!:o
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Of their more traditional black metal works' date=' I would start with Memoria Vetusta I - Fathers of the Icy Age, and for their more modern/dissonant sound, start with The Work Which Transforms God.[/quote'] Agree with the above totally, great band with some very aural qualities as well as the more dissonant aspects. Only turkey in their catalogue for me is "Cosmosophy", I just find it really boring and static.
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Of their more traditional black metal works' date=' I would start with Memoria Vetusta I - Fathers of the Icy Age, and for their more modern/dissonant sound, start with The Work Which Transforms God.[/quote'] Cheers BAN. Will probably start with their modern, more dissonant sound. I seem to prefer more proggy, technical BM to the traditional stuff, and as far as I understand, Blut Aus Nord went more in this direction as they went along. So thanks. :) NP: Sigur Ros - Takk Really digging the chilled stuff atm. Might have more of a metal day tomorrow.
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