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Re: some good gothic metal bands? NTNR will tell you that Type O Negative is the epitome of doom metal, but this is but one of the many cases when he is wrong. Type O Negative was one of the first gothic metal bands, but like Celtic Frost and Death SS before them, they mixed gothic rock with many other elements, in Type O Negative's case, this is doom (Sabbathy riffs), New York hardcore/thrash (a continuation of the Carnivore sound), and some alternative and classic rock. Some doom is in there, but it's only one aspect of their sound, and far from the biggest one. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Re: some good gothic metal bands?

It's so hard to find good female vocalists...
Not really, many gothic metal bands have great female vocals. My favorites are Theatre of Tragedy's old stuff, Tristania with Vibeke, Lisa from Draconian, and Agnete from Madder Mortem. I like harsher female vocals too, but this is the gothic metal thread... Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Re: some good gothic metal bands? I would obviously recommend the bands I just mentioned to you, but admittedly I'm not well versed on the topic. If you can get NTNR over the butt hurt he'll feel when he sees that I said Type O Negative isn't doom, he's the one to ask. I have more knowledge of black, thrash, and death metal than he does, but he definitely beats me out in the gothic, NWOBHM, power metal, and doom categories, except for styles of doom he doesn't like (traditional, stoner, and sludge). Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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NTNR will tell you that Type O Negative is the epitome of doom metal, but this is but one of the many cases when he is wrong. Type O Negative was one of the first gothic metal bands, but like Celtic Frost and Death SS before them, they mixed gothic rock with many other elements, in Type O Negative's case, this is doom (Sabbathy riffs), New York hardcore/thrash (a continuation of the Carnivore sound), and some alternative and classic rock. Some doom is in there, but it's only one aspect of their sound, and far from the biggest one. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I love how I'm always considered wrong when I'm not. TON is doom. There's nothing gothic about them. End of story.
Pete's gothic crooned vocals (not the screams), the mid-tempo chugged 8th note guitar passages, the lyrics, the atmosphere, all gothic. There's other stuff in there, but doom is only one of those things, whereas the gothic elements permeate all other elements that Type O Negative mixed to make their distinct sound. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Silentium is a gothic metal group I heard a couple of months ago from Finland. I think they better fit the definition of gothic than the other bands I've recommended, they sound a fair bit like old Theatre of Tragedy if I remember correctly.

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Pete's gothic crooned vocals (not the screams), the mid-tempo chugged 8th note guitar passages, the lyrics, the atmosphere, all gothic. There's other stuff in there, but doom is only one of those things, whereas the gothic elements permeate all other elements that Type O Negative mixed to make their distinct sound. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
None of that equates gothic. Mike Lezala (Legend) crooned, does that make them gothic? Not everyone screams. Aaron Stainthrope sings, so does Nick Holmes, Messiah, hell eve McCoy sang. All the aforementioned bands had mid-tempo chugging riffs with 8th note passages. The same goes for the lyrics. We have the same atmosphere, are we gothic? No. None of what you said makes for a "gothic" band. Try again. Actual gothic metal bands are: Lacrimas Profundere, Sentenced, As Divine Grace, Entwine, etc...TON isn't gothic.

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None of that equates gothic. Mike Lezala (Legend) crooned, does that make them gothic? Not everyone screams. Aaron Stainthrope sings, so does Nick Holmes, Messiah, hell eve McCoy sang. All the aforementioned bands had mid-tempo chugging riffs with 8th note passages. The same goes for the lyrics. We have the same atmosphere, are we gothic? No. None of what you said makes for a "gothic" band. Try again. Actual gothic metal bands are: Lacrimas Profundere, Sentenced, As Divine Grace, Entwine, etc...TON isn't gothic.
Legend's singer was a folk based croon, as opposed to Peter's gothic based croon, derived from acts like Bauhaus. Aaron, Nick, and Rick all started singing as the music started becoming more gothic, and all of their vocals have gothic influence and elements. Messiah's singing is classical/opera based, and aren't really the same thing. Again, those bands didn't start using those 8th note passages until their gothic phases (none of that on As the Flower Withers, Gothic (ironically so), or Sadness), and we certainly don't have the same atmosphere as TON. The bands you mentioned are gothic, but so are TON. As I said, there is other stuff in there, and one of them is doom. However, tons of other bands have doom in their sound too, but it's not enough to call them doom. Morbid Angel, Entombed, even Overkill have had doom songs and riffs, but none of them are doom bands. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Legend's singer was a folk based croon, as opposed to Peter's gothic based croon, derived from acts like Bauhaus. Aaron, Nick, and Rick all started singing as the music started becoming more gothic, and all of their vocals have gothic influence and elements. Messiah's singing is classical/opera based, and aren't really the same thing. Again, those bands didn't start using those 8th note passages until their gothic phases (none of that on As the Flower Withers, Gothic (ironically so), or Sadness), and we certainly don't have the same atmosphere as TON. The bands you mentioned are gothic, but so are TON. As I said, there is other stuff in there, and one of them is doom. However, tons of other bands have doom in their sound too, but it's not enough to call them doom. Morbid Angel, Entombed, even Overkill have had doom songs and riffs, but none of them are doom bands. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
Crooning doesn't make one gothic. TON are doom. They're too slow, heavy and depressive to be labeled gothic. Just their speed alone makes them doom. Pete's vocals have nothing to do with it.

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Interesting question. Sometimes the dividing lines between genres are pretty thin. I could buy an argument either way for TON being doom or gothic metal. I always thought of them as g.m., but I could see how they would qualify as doom too.

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ton can listed as glothic doom
I could go for the label gothic doom, or even gothic/NYHC, but none of the other elements in their sound are strong enough to go by themselves as their label. The air of misery is similar between goth and doom, which may be why the line is blurry, but they have always felt more gothic overall. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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My experience with goth metal is limited, but I downloaded a sampler which featured the track "My Release in Pain" by Lacrimas Profundere (hoping I spelled that right). The song is pretty good, but I checked out some of their other stuff and it doesn't really grab me. You might like it more than I.

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Amorphis - Crimson Wave (AM Universum)

 

Elis - Lost Soul (Dark Clouds In A Perfect Sky)

 

Entwine - The Frame Of Wilderness (The Treasure Within Hearts)

 

Tristania - Shadowman (Ashes)

 

Crematory - Angel Of Fate (Revolution)

 

Moonspell - Ruin And Misery (Irreligious)

 

Sentenced - Dead Moon Rising (Crimson)

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I'm taking the liberty of converting NTNR's first post (and the only one to actually recommend albums in this thread) to a video list to both save time for future users and because frankly I had nothing better to do. It's late and my computer stuffed up so I have half the list to finish but that will have to wait.

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I'm taking the liberty of converting NTNR's first post (and the only one to actually recommend albums in this thread) to a video list to both save time for future users and because frankly I had nothing better to do. It's late and my computer stuffed up so I have half the list to finish but that will have to wait.

Most of what NTNR put up was more on the rock side of the spectrum, but those bands do tend to have crossover appeal to fans of gothic metal in addition to not being wholly different. Most of the gothic metal that I favor would be gothic/doom hybrids which I covered in the doom section, which is why I haven't made any entries here. Either way, I'm sure these would be a good place to start for someone breaking into the sound. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

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