What's on your mind?

[SBird94]

Finally a friday night, after a stressful week at work. Time for a few beers

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Finally a friday night' date=' after a stressful week at work. Time for a few beers [/quote'] Hey birdy! how have you been?

[SBird94]

Dave! I have been great, working full time and head banging at the same time, a few of my work mates are metal heads so we have a lot to talk about

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Dave! I have been great' date=' working full time and head banging at the same time, a few of my work mates are metal heads so we have a lot to talk about [/quote'] Not bad I've mainly been at College and playing Pokémon there actually are are few people in my class who are into metal and I suggest some bands to them we all get along it's pretty awesome.

[SBird94]

Always playing pokemon I think I should get back into the games, I haven't really played any since ruby and sapphire. How's college man?

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

Always playing pokemon I think I should get back into the games' date=' I haven't really played any since ruby and sapphire. How's college man? [/quote'] It's brilliant thanks for asking, also, on wednesday it was announced that Ruby and Sapphire will be getting a remake!!

[SBird94]

No worries mate Awesome! I'll have to get a 3DS first haha

[H34VYM3T4LD4V3]

No worries mate Awesome! I'll have to get a 3DS first haha

When I heard about it I freaked out xD I started off with Ruby and Sapphire after all!

[FatherAlabaster]

It's ok guys I checked his facebook he said he's out of hospital.

That's good news. Thanks!

[BlutAusNerd]

Dave! I have been great' date=' working full time and head banging at the same time, a few of my work mates are metal heads so we have a lot to talk about [/quote'] It's nice to share some common interests with coworkers. One of my drivers is into some metal, but also deathcore and nu-metal stuff, but is a good worker and fun to hang out with anyway. Then there's KSmash and Edgar, both of whom I have played in bands with and am related to, so at least I'm not alone in my listening habits. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[deathstorm]

That's. Good josh is out of hospital.

[Iceni]

Anarchism seems to be a theory tailor-made for credulous, petulant nitwits.

[FatherAlabaster]

Anarchism seems to be a theory tailor-made for credulous' date=' petulant nitwits.[/quote'] Second post recently about being annoyed by anarchism. What gives? Who's giving it the time of day? I wouldn't think you're encountering it in class...

[JBaker]

Second post recently about being annoyed by anarchism. What gives? Who's giving it the time of day? I wouldn't think you're encountering it in class...

My personal assistant is a Christian Anarchist... You guys would get along swimmingly.

[FatherAlabaster]

My personal assistant is a Christian Anarchist... You guys would get along swimmingly.

You know me, I get along with everybody... I was actually just curious about why Iceni seems so annoyed by anarchism recently. I haven't met a real-life anarchist since I was a teenager. I thought they were an endangered species.

[JBaker]

You know me' date=' I get along with everybody... I was actually just curious about why Iceni seems so annoyed by anarchism recently. I haven't met a real-life anarchist since I was a teenager. I thought they were an endangered species.[/quote']That was supposed to be in response to Iceni's post. Website's being a bit funny for me atm. I can't even see what I'm typing right now, so if this makes no sense, it's not my fault! I'm curious myself, though; other than maybe criticising a certain naivete, I can't think of anything that offensive about anarchism; there's certainly worse believe systems out there!

[Iceni]

You'll be amazed at how banal the answer is...To answer both of you (sorry I can't quote but the site is buggered, again), it's this one guy who keeps getting featured on Memecenter. He's a Swede, which just makes his decision to refer to the proletariat as 'us' all the more idiotic. What's morally wrong about anarchy is that as far as I can tell it's a lie. At best it promotes a 'state of nature', decrying the state as unnatural - completely ignoring the fact that the state is in fact very natural, state formation first happens in a 'state of nature'. In my opinion, when presented with that one fairly simple fact the whole philosophy completely collapses. I will admit, even by anarchist standards this guy can talk a lot without saying much. Anyhow, he's the bitchiest little asswipe who posts the most asinine, banal sentiments on the usual subjects - America is evil, government is forced upon people and humankind would be better off living in collectives where cooperation will just magically arise because there's no senate, I don't bloody know. He also approved of rioters on May Day burning down McDonald's franchises. I wouldn't take him seriously but he keeps getting featured and all these asshats keep praising his anti-establishment tantrums. To be fair, a lot of people don't buy his nonsense, but I don't think he's quite got the skull fractures he should have from getting his face properly stomped and ground into the asphalt yet. I'm taking it upon myself to try to do that. You know, for Jesus.

[deathstorm]

Speaking of anachrist. Does guys. Like. David kasdash and charley Manson. And. Westboro. Count as that. Those cult wackjobs

[FatherAlabaster]

More complex hierarchies, like states, seem inevitable in large, dense populations - the larger the population, the more stratified and centrally controlled. I wonder if the tragedies that arise from the inequality inherent in those structures are also inevitable.

Speaking of anachrist. Does guys. Like. David kasdash and charley Manson. And. Westboro. Count as that. Those cult wackjobs

Judging by your spelling, I wonder if you're confusing "anarchist" and "antichrist" - totally different concepts. Anarchists believe in life without government (or leaders of any kind, technically); "antichrists" - according to the Christian bible - are either people who claim to be prophets, or people who deny that Jesus was a prophet. Which I guess would make me a symbol of the end times...

[Iceni]

More complex hierarchies' date=' like states, seem inevitable in large, dense populations - the larger the population, the more stratified and centrally controlled. I wonder if the tragedies that arise from the inequality inherent in those structures are also inevitable.[/quote'] Even in sparse populations states eventually arise. The ancient polity of Jenne-Jeno is an example of that. They might be the closest thing to a non-governmental society that's ever existed, but the point is that they still had government. They also became more centralized when they had to protect their goods from being raided by Tuaregs. Maybe the tragedies are inherent and maybe they aren't. Either way, it doesn't matter. Tyrants win in real-life anarchy, and that's at the best of times. At the worst of times (Central African Republic, Kivu) nobody wins.

[FatherAlabaster]

I don't think state formation is inevitable below a certain threshold. However, I'd differentiate between a "state" and other, less formal, types of government. Some form of hierarchy always arises, yes. I'm not arguing for the validity of an anarchist point of view, in terms of what's "natural" for humans. But for those of us who don't live in communes, it's entirely worth asking - what's the root of the apparent drive towards inequality and stratification?

[deathstorm]

Yeah. Alabaster. I got confused. Aanachrist and anticrist. Thanks buddy for clearing that up

[Iceni]

But for those of us who don't live in communes' date=' it's entirely worth asking - what's the root of the apparent drive towards inequality and stratification?[/quote'] People are different. Some people just perform at a much higher level than others, even with all of their strengths and weaknesses accounted for. Others are born with disabilities that significantly affect (or destroy) their ability to function as an average human would. I don't think stratification exists entirely because of a human desire for it, although maybe that's part of it. Not everyone is born physically and mentally equal.

[deathstorm]

I know. One things. Some babies. Are born duggies cause there mothers. Doing drugs. That's true. Iceni One thing most people can't deal with people with disabilities.

[FatherAlabaster]

People are different. Some people just perform at a much higher level than others' date=' even with all of their strengths and weaknesses accounted for. Others are born with disabilities that significantly affect (or destroy) their ability to function as an average human would. I don't think stratification exists entirely because of a human desire for it, although maybe that's part of it. Not everyone is born physically and mentally equal.[/quote'] Yeah. I'm not talking about it on a personal level. I'm talking about systematic societal inequalities and lack of social mobility. I don't think that we're dealing with a conscious "desire for inequality"; I think it's an emergent property of the hierarchies that naturally form in large human groups. I don't think it's possible for us to live in a perfectly egalitarian anarchist paradise; neither do I think free-market capitalism will lead to a true meritocracy (except in the strict sense that people who are good at making and keeping money will tend to have more money). You're not suggesting that innate differences in intelligence (among other attributes) account for class differences, are you? It seems like surplus production always results in population growth, and the accumulation of wealth in small places, with its concomitant privileges for the elite, at the expense of the labor force. We grow to the limit of our resources, and the poor are the first to suffer when those resources dwindle. It happened in Polynesian societies, European societies, and pre-Columbian American societies, and it happens today. Why does being poor have to suck so much? What is it about the societies that we form? I don't have an answer, it's just something I wonder about.