Metallica - 72 Seasons

[RelentlessOblivion]

Late to the party but here are my thoughts:

 

1.new album is exactly what I expected, exactly mediocre

 

2. RtL is there best, there’s about six songs across the following two albums. I cannot even listen to any more.

3. The Unforgiven is a bad song, but I heard a cool Gregorian chant cover of it once

4. KIMB is Megadave’s best, they’ve got 15 songs afterwards worth hearing

5. I can’t imagine most Metal veterans buying any albums from the big four these days

[Arioch]

I am more flexible than you: 😁

1. The new album is not mediocre. Just average. I even think that ChatGPT would have done better if the band had called on him.
2. Agree about RTL, it's my favorite album too. But I love K'EM and MOP almost as much. AJFA, a little less. All the albums that followed it: none.
3. I hate slow songs. 😅
4. KIMB ? I prefer RIP for my part.
5. Of the 4 Big Four, I'm only into Megadeth. Slayer is out of order, Anthrax doesn't attract me since early 1990 (as well as Metallica).

 

[GoatmasterGeneral]

10 hours ago, Arioch said:

Slayer is out of order

Qu'est-ce que cela signifie?

 

13 hours ago, AlSymerz said:

My missus, she says if I don't stop wandering around the house screaming those lyrics she's going to kill me!

Tell her we'll make it worth her while if she can go through with it.

EDIT: Well it's now after 9am Victoria time and you haven't made your first post yet for the day which is slightly out of the ordinary for you, so let's hope she succeeded. Just tell us where we can make contributions to her legal defense fund. Woman's a saint for putting up with you all these many years and I'd like to make sure she'll be taken care of and not just assigned to a public defender like a common criminal. I'd be willing to fly down there and serve as a witness for the defense if need be. Whatever it takes to get her acquitted. This woman should not have to serve a single day in prison for doing us all such a beneficial public service.                           

[Arioch]

58 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Qu'est-ce que cela signifie?

Oh, my bad ! 😔

I thought this expression was English.

By "out of order", I meant that Slayer is a band that no longer exists (except in our hearts). They will never release another album.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

8 hours ago, Arioch said:

Oh, my bad ! 😔

I thought this expression was English.

By "out of order", I meant that Slayer is a band that no longer exists (except in our hearts). They will never release another album.

Yes it is an English expression, but it has a couple of meanings. If something's broken or not working properly, a machine or a toilet, it is said to be out of order. If a person is out of order it means he has said or done something rude or innapropriate in a social or professional situation. Something much more outrageous or intentional or provocative than a small faux pas. The word you want to describe a band that has disbanded and no longer exists is defunct. Or you could just say Slayer is no more, or they're no longer with us, which is what we often say about dead people.

Still, your English is most excellent mon ami, and I'm très heureux you're jumping into discussions and adding your thoughts. Was not trying to criticize, and I hope I was not out of order. I just really wasn't sure what you meant. Please carry on headbanging.

 

 

14 hours ago, AlSymerz said:

I think if any other band did any of the Metallica albums since 2000 there would be less people offended by them.

If any other small-time band had made those 4 records no one would even be aware of their existence much less listening to them or talking about them. Hard to be offended by an album you've never heard. They were only relevant and brought to our attention at all because they had the Metallica brand name on them. I mean why do we need an entire thread and a fucking feature film just dedicated to some crappy new Metallica album? Heaps of better metal albums already this year that don't have their own threads or movies.

This is why some of us can't stand these big dinosaur legacy bands. They know they can phone in any old half-assed worthless crap and get handed accolades and hundreds of millions of dollars just because their name is on it, while so many more deserving bands who are actually making good music light years better than anything Metallica or Megadick have released in 30 years have to work day jobs just to survive.

Even our own Deadman proclaims Overkill is "creatively bankrupt" while praising 72 Shit Stains as "quite decent" which imho is a bizarre take for any metalhead with functional ears who's heard both of these records that came out last Friday. Because one of them was pretty good and a fairly enjoyable listen while the other was not. But this just goes to illustrate how even thrash metal is too extreme for mainstream success, which is why all three of the active remaining Big 4 thrash bands stopped making thrash albums many many years ago. Creatively bankrupt describes Metallica perfectly, and why the metal world is seemingly still in thrall to them after all these decades of abject suckage is beyond me.

[Thatguy]

4 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Slayer is no more, or they're no longer with us

Or pushing up daisies

[GoatmasterGeneral]

58 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Or pushing up daisies

Well that'd be Jeff. As far as I know Kerry and the rest of the boys are still breathing.

[AlSymerz]

10 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Tell her we'll make it worth her while if she can go through with it.

She knows the value of keeping me around. Besides she thinks you're all crazy and should be locked up for your own good.

 

Kerry's just got a new guitar deal, that has to pay for itself somewhere so the Kerry King band must be coming soon...eventually. KK's Slayer will sound exactly like Slayer so Slayer isn't dead

Slayer! Slayer! Slayer!

 

[GoatmasterGeneral]

17 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

She knows the value of keeping me around. Besides she thinks you're all crazy and should be locked up for your own good.

 

Kerry's just got a new guitar deal, that has to pay for itself somewhere so the Kerry King band must be coming soon...eventually. KK's Slayer will sound exactly like Slayer so Slayer isn't dead

Slayer! Slayer! Slayer!

Shit I edited my other post too soon. While I'm busy typing how you havent posted yet today you show up and drop 3 rapid fire posts.

And dammit, just because you're good with the cows and good with your hands and can fix things doesn't mean she should keep you around. She could always hire somebody you know.

[AlSymerz]

Yeah but she's not going to do it on the advice of someone on the internet who she thinks should be living in a white padded room wearing a white coat that buckles at the back

[GoatmasterGeneral]

7 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

Yeah but she's not going to do it on the advice of someone on the internet who she thinks should be living in a white padded room wearing a white coat that buckles at the back

Of course not, I thought you said she was gonna do it because you wouldn't stop singing those stupid Sandman lyrics? This was all her idea Orc, not mine, I don't even know how or when she planned to carry this out, or the murder weapon or anything. I'm just offering her my post mortem support because I feel like it's the right thing to do.

[AlSymerz]

Well she wanted too, but I hadn't cooked dinner at the time.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

Just now, AlSymerz said:

Well she wanted too, but I hadn't cooked dinner at the time.

Totally understandable. Smart girl. Let her extract whatever value she can from you first like dinner or whatever while you're still walking around upright and then she can always quietly disappear you after you've fulfilled your purpose. 

[AlSymerz]

I'm still here today, guess she wants dinner again tonight. I'll have to see how annoying I can be tonight and see whether dinner is more important than murder.

 

[Dead1]

15 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I disagree. I do know lots of people who say they hated it because it wasn't the thrash album they had been expecting at that point, we were all hoping for a rebound and return to form after the bloated and chuggy AJFA. But I don't care about that. I listened to lots of stuff besides just thrash in 1991. Shit, I was head over heels in love with Alice in Chains' Facelift in 1990/91 and that's far from thrash. I could have absolutely accepted a more commercial heavy metal album from them in 1991 if the songs had been good - but the songs weren't good! Go look down the track list, Sandman is catchy and commercial but horribly overplayed at this point. Still it has a good catchy chorus, it's objectivelly a good song even if I'm tired of hearing it now. I've always loved Wherever I May Roam as I said, but that's it, the rest of that record blows. Can you tell me one other good catchy memorable song from that album? (Sad But True is memorable but I hate it) I think every single riff in every single song on that record sucks except for those two. The whole fucking thing is essentially filler. I would seriously rank Reload ahead of the Black Album, that's how much I hate it. I don't consider it a sellout album as much as just a fluke. How and why it took off the way it did sales-wise I'll never understand. I suspect it's from years of nonstop touring that built them into the juggernaut they became in the 90's. Moreso than the actual quality of any of their material after 1986. They had enough live staples taken from the first three albums that they could afford to fit in some of their weaker, lamer material from the later albums to please their new fans who only knew the shitty radio songs and still have a good enough set to send their older headbanger fans home happy. That's my theory anyway.

You are right.  I do find most of the heavy songs on Black album to be a bit third rate.   Whereeever I May Roam is one of my favourite tracks but songs like Through The Never, Of Wolf And Man etc are all very filler.

To be honest AJFA was already struggling on the song writing side.  I like Blackened, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Dyers Eve and bits of To Live Is To Die.

 

I think in reality the loss of Dave Mustaine and then Cliff Burton left Metallica a bit stunted in terms of song writing and over the years that bit them in the arse.  

 

56 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

She knows the value of keeping me around. Besides she thinks you're all crazy and should be locked up for your own good.

 

Kerry's just got a new guitar deal, that has to pay for itself somewhere so the Kerry King band must be coming soon...eventually. KK's Slayer will sound exactly like Slayer so Slayer isn't dead

Slayer! Slayer! Slayer!

 

Except Slayer without Hanneman weren't exactly a winning proposition in my book.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

16 minutes ago, Dead1 said:

You are right.  I do find most of the heavy songs on Black album to be a bit third rate.   Whereeever I May Roam is one of my favourite tracks but songs like Through The Never, Of Wolf And Man etc are all very filler.

To be honest AJFA was already struggling on the song writing side.  I like Blackened, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Dyers Eve and bits of To Live Is to Die.

I think in reality the loss of Dave Mustaine and then Cliff Burton left Metallica a bit stunted in terms of song writing and over the years that bit them in the arse.  

Except Slayer without Hanneman weren't exactly a winning proposition in my book.

Agreed on all counts.

The remaining members of Metallica are not great songwriters. They have proven this over and over again since 1988. Cliff and Dave were much better and they couln't do it without them.

Hanneman was absolutely the crucial member, but I'd even go so far as to say Slayer without the 80's wasn't a winning proposition. I know some people who do like some of their 90's and 00's stuff but I'm not one of them.

[DeathMetalBangers]

I like some stuff off AJFA but never understood why they choose not to record bass guitar on the album. I think I read they had bass tracks and decided against using them (I could be wrong). Nobody could replace CB but thought they could have found some bass talent. 

[GoatmasterGeneral]

38 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

I'm still here today, guess she wants dinner again tonight. I'll have to see how annoying I can be tonight and see whether dinner is more important than murder.

Most people don't set out to be murderers. But we all have our breaking point where we feel like we just can't take it anymore and then we simply snap. Or so I've heard.

[AlSymerz]

Shit! I better choose dinner wisely. Lunch is ok because we are going out, but dinner could make or break me.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

12 minutes ago, DeathMetalBangers said:

I like some stuff off AJFA but never understood why they choose not to record bass guitar on the album. I think I read they had bass tracks and decided against using them (I could be wrong). Nobody could replace CB but thought they could have found some bass talent. 

Of course there's bass guitar on the album. Just wasn't pushed as high in the mix as it could have been. The no bass on Justice thing has been totally blown out of proportion, it's not anywhere near as bad as people try to make it out to be.

[DeathMetalBangers]

2 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Of course there's bass guitar on the album. Just wasn't pushed as high in the

Oh ok. I definitely read there was “famously no bass” on that album but I don’t hear any bass really either. I’m gonna give it another listen.

 

[Thatguy]

1 hour ago, AlSymerz said:

see whether dinner is more important than murder.

Fortunately, it usually is.

[RelentlessOblivion]

1. There’s bass, but Jason is no Cliff so it’s not as interesting.

2. Slayer after SitA aren’t worth hearing imo

3. Because there’s always a third one, I’ve always felt RiB is the weakest of their classic albums

[AlSymerz]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Fortunately, it usually is.

Only to those who can't cook for themselves!

 

Nothing released after 1983 is metal, it all sucks. all your bands suck.

[DeathMetalBangers]

5 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

1. There’s bass, but Jason is no Cliff so it’s not as interesting

Gotcha. I should know better than to question GG but damn it I thought I had him for a sec lol