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Hello, I'm a big music fanatic, I love everything from smooth Jazz to Death metal to rock to country and folk. I used to think metal was meaningless noise and look down on bands like Slayer,  but over the past year I've fallen in love with metal, all thanks to Vader. 

(I even like some Hair Metal :P)

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Welcome to the forum. It's interesting that Vader were your gateway band. Glad you're starting to appreciate the genre. Personally I believe metal is the broadest of all music genres. Nothing else out there could contain bands like Iron Maiden, Dissection, Bathory, Blut Aus Nord, Dark Angel, Rammstein, My Dying Bride, Helloween, Devin Townsend, Electric Wizard, and Suffocation under the one umbrella.

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Thank you all for the warm welcome :)

On 29/05/2016 at 2:20 AM, RelentlessOblivion said:

Welcome to the forum. It's interesting that Vader were your gateway band. Glad you're starting to appreciate the genre. Personally I believe metal is the broadest of all music genres. Nothing else out there could contain bands like Iron Maiden, Dissection, Bathory, Blut Aus Nord, Dark Angel, Rammstein, My Dying Bride, Helloween, Devin Townsend, Electric Wizard, and Suffocation under the one umbrella.

Yeah, I jumped into the deep end with vader :D Technically it was Maximum the Hormones song "What's up?" That turned my intrest onto metal, but VADER solidified it. I suppose Rock is the most verried genre, because Heavy Metal could be classified as a off shoot of Rock. Only Rock could have Pat Boone and The Rolling Stones under the same Roof.

On 29/05/2016 at 10:24 AM, H34VYM3T4LD4V3 said:

Welcome to the forum! I like Jazz and country too, and Vader are pretty great, my favourite Death Metal band however is Bolt Thrower, I'd say check them out.

Yeah, my taste is drastically verried, I'm in a love affair with Rockabilly and all things 50's Rock'n'Roll and I've even delved into Hip-hop/Rap and Brit Pop - Thanks to the Gorillaz - recently.I could talk all day about almost any genre. :DI'll make sure to check Bolt Thrower out.

On 28/05/2016 at 3:58 PM, MacabreEternal said:

I have looked down on Slayer for about 2 decades. Welcome.

I love them. 

 

On 28/05/2016 at 2:05 PM, FatherAlabaster said:

Welcome, glad you're developing a taste for it. 

Thank you :)

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49 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

Most of the identifying traits found in rock are absent from metal though. It's a stand alone genre influenced by rock, blues, and classical among other genres as opposed to an off shoot.

Like what identifying traits? Distorted guitars, bass, and drums, aggressive vocals, certain chord progressions and song structures... The roots of metal are absolutely in rock, and in the case of heavy metal they haven't really left them that far behind. But it's not just heavy metal; go listen to "Seven Churches" or "Under The Sign Of The Black Mark" or "Don't Break The Oath". Listen to "Brave Murder Day" or "Tales From The Thousand Lakes". Tell me you don't hear the rock influence. Some apples have fallen far from the tree, but metal wouldn't exist without rock in way that isn't true of jazz or classical.

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But it's influence as you said yourself. I never once said there weren't common elements. There are but rock and metal have different atmospheres. I could be talking nonsense (forty hours on the go will do that) but i get very different vibes from say Dark Side Of The Moon and Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness despite the obvious influence.

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@RelentlessOblivion @FatherAlabaster

Well actually rock wouldn't exist without Blues music - which isn't Jazz. Look at black musicians like Howlin' Wolf and you will see the influence it has on both Rock and Metal - particularly early metal artists like Black Sabbath. Rock'n'Roll of the 50's, which without, music as we know it wouldn't exist, was a combination of country and blues. So, even if you don't classify metal as apart of rock - because  metal also draws from classical and heavy music - You must acknowledge that the genres are interlinked. (Not to even mention the influences that the other Rock off shoot, Punk, would have on later metal genres.)

(This is actually an interesting topic, is there a thread discussing the influences and evolution of Metal?)

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Yes they are linked. No disputing that. Metal as we know it could not exist without rock's influence. I'm just opposed to labelling metal and punk offshoots as I feel such a label diminishes the importance of both. Punk and metal are after all stand-alone genres spawning many sub-genres each. From punk we got d-beat, crust, and hardcore just to name a few. From metal we got doom, death, and power amongst others.

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