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I'm not sure if Roots would be classed as nu metal, but it does have some of the key ingredients: downtuned guitars, simplistic hip hop-inspired grooves. Sure, it's a lot heavier than any nu metal band I can think of, but does that discount it? I'm not sure, but if it is nu metal, then it's my favourite nu metal album by a long shot! What do you think? Do you like this album? And would you class it as nu metal?

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I'm not sure if Roots would be classed as nu metal' date=' but it does have some of the key ingredients: downtuned guitars, simplistic hip hop-inspired grooves. Sure, it's a lot heavier than any nu metal band I can think of, but does that discount it? I'm not sure, but if it is nu metal, then it's my favourite nu metal album by a long shot! What do you think? Do you like this album? And would you class it as nu metal?[/quote'] I've heard some contention to this point, but I would definitely call it nu-metal. As you said, it contains many of the genres hallmarks, Korn riffs, hip-hop rhythms, banal angsty lyrics, the only thing to differentiate it from Korn at the time was the tribal feel. I would also point to the fact that Max continued this sound with Soulfly, which is most definitely nu-metal, "heaviness" doesn't really have anything to do with it. I've heard "heavier" nu-metal albums than Roots, like Fear Factory's Obsolete and Mudvayne's LD40 (which gets my vote for best nu-metal album because of actually having some good musicianship and songwriting, even if I'm not a big fan of the overall sound), but I can't stand the sound. It's not that I hate change, as Sepultura transformed from primal black/death metal on Morbid Vision to the thrash metal excellence of Schizophrenia and Beneath the Remains quite gracefully, and even did a decent incorporation of the 90's groove sound with the not all bad Arise and Chaos AD albums, I just find Roots to be offensive to my ears. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Well, the lyrics are focused more on the political climate in Brazil at the time so, whilst they do have a 'don't fuck with me; I'm a hard man' vibe to them, I don't think you can compare them to the teen angsty lyrics of bands like Korn. 'Heaviness' is obviously a subjective concept and difficult as hell to pin down, but I still feel Roots is a very heavy album. Whilst not as extreme or harsh-sounding other albums I can think of (including other Sep. albums), I always feel there's a really dark and threatening atmosphere to this album (helped in no small part by the tribal influence) that makes this album seem heavier, in some ways, than more extreme albums by some Death Metal bands etc. who might play loud and fast, but seem comparatively nonthreatening due to the distinct lack of atmosphere. It's a bit like comparing Emmure to Tool: there's a good case for saying that Tool are a million times heavier than Emmure could ever be! :P But, back to the original point, yeah, I'm quite happy to class this as a nu metal album as it does 'tick all the boxes'. I love it, but if you don't dig the nu metal sound, it's obviously not gonna do it for you. :)

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Well, the lyrics are focused more on the political climate in Brazil at the time so, whilst they do have a 'don't fuck with me; I'm a hard man' vibe to them, I don't think you can compare them to the teen angsty lyrics of bands like Korn. 'Heaviness' is obviously a subjective concept and difficult as hell to pin down, but I still feel Roots is a very heavy album. Whilst not as extreme or harsh-sounding other albums I can think of (including other Sep. albums), I always feel there's a really dark and threatening atmosphere to this album (helped in no small part by the tribal influence) that makes this album seem heavier, in some ways, than more extreme albums by some Death Metal bands etc. who might play loud and fast, but seem comparatively nonthreatening due to the distinct lack of atmosphere. It's a bit like comparing Emmure to Tool: there's a good case for saying that Tool are a million times heavier than Emmure could ever be! :P But, back to the original point, yeah, I'm quite happy to class this as a nu metal album as it does 'tick all the boxes'. I love it, but if you don't dig the nu metal sound, it's obviously not gonna do it for you. :)
The subject matter may be different, but I hear a similarly whiny and juvenile anger/frustration tone to them, again something that was expanded on with Soulfly. I agree that heaviness is a subjective idea, as many seem to place all heaviness on guitar distortion, but I don't feel that this could possibly be correct. Heaviness to me is about atmosphere, and can be translated through riffs regardless of guitar tone, but guitar tone can aid in communicating that heaviness. In regards to Roots though, I don't hear it. That album doesn't sound much heavier than most other nu-metal albums to me, and even less heavy death metal has a more crushing atmosphere and riff set. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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