Balor

One of my favorite sub-categories of film is the cold patient spy film. I can't get enough of it. That craving hit me pretty hard yesterday, so I rewatched The Third Man. Movie guys love to gush about the camera work in this one, but honestly the film would be tremendous even if it had the dullest shots in the world. Not that I'm unappreciative of the excellent use of shots here, but that's not where the movie gets its power.
 
It struck me the other day that one of the lesser used tropes in movies that I don't think I've ever seen pulled off successfully is the "mind palace": a visual metaphor which represents a character's conscious mind in which physical actions represent some sort of metal activity usually unnarrated or not directly told to the viewer. It's weird because you wouldn't think of that as being all that difficult to pull off. Dreamcatcher tried it and, like just about everything in the movie, it doesn't work. That super modern Sherlock show on the BBC from a few years back had it, and it worked even less. The worst example is probably The Cell. God what a mess that piece of shit was. I usually chocked the frequent failures of the trope to the difficulty of representing mental action in a visual medium being very difficult to pull off with any consistent rule set within the length of a full film, but then the most successful  example I can think, Inside Out 100% commits to the idea as its central function. Can anybody think of any examples of this being used perfectly?

Can't think of any sludge/doom metal bands/albums quite as slow and funeral-like as Hell. They are unique. But pessimistic and miserable is no problem. If you want funeral doom recs wait for Blivvie to show up later. He's our resident funeral doom guy. But it's only 7:30am were he is, he usually gets here a bit later in the day. Keep in mind none of these sound exactly like Hell. Some of them aren't even really that close. But they're all heavy as fuck sludge/doom and they're all pretty bleak. Maybe you've already heard some of these. You did say you wanted to try something new and branch out.
 
Cough - Ritual Abuse, Richmond VA 2010
 
Burning Witch - Cripped Lucifer, Seattle 1998
 
Black Tomb - Black Tomb, New England 2016
 
Cerbère - Cendre, France 2023
 
Sabot - Castration EP, St Paul Minnesota 2023
 
Chained to the Bottom of the Ocean - I Carry My Awareness of Defeat Like a Banner of Victory, Springfield Mass 2018
 
Batillus - Concrete Sustain, NY 2013
 

That’s more my point metal isn’t exclusively an outsider genre, however there is still a difference between the more accessible stuff you could play at work and no one bats an eye, Metallica, Judas Priest, etc compared with, for example, playing some Archgoat, Napalm Death, or Cemetary Urn.
 
Moreover we do get weird looks for, correctly I might add, insisting linkin park aren’t metal. So I would actually say metal has simultaneously never been more mainstream or more an outsider genre. 

i used to think of it this way too. but the truth is that even if metal music attracts many outsiders it's still mostly listened by people who don't feel like an outsiders in any way and just like the sound or fashion attached to it. it's never about the lifestyle or mindset nowadays.

Had to get the last word.

Only time I've ever been really frustrated with a Dr. was during a stay after a near death experience and I asked this gastroenterologist to close the curtains on his way out so I could get some sleep, and he lectured me on the virtues of maintaining a consistent circadian rhythm. Like, I get it doc, but I just nearly died. I'm tired, and getting good sleep in the ICU is tough anyway. You can't do me a solid this once and close the curtains? 
Outside of that I think some people have some really stupid ideas about what your Dr. is supposed to do. Would it be nice to stroll into the clinic and say 'Hey, I've been having trouble sleeping. Could you write me up some Ambien"? Of course it would, but more importantly the Doc wants to save you and your health first and foremost and not enable any harmful habits you might develop. I value a doctor who's got the spine to tell me straight up "we're going to try and save you, but you've got to start doing some things differently from now on." than one who'll just write me up some free fun tickets to the pharmacy fair.
Okay. Hate is a stronger more emphatic term. Disrespect casts doubt on the validity of an assertion, but doesn't imply an inherent disgust or indignation at the existence of the assertion. The two could be viewed as synonyms in certain contexts.
I never said you weren't allowed to give your opinion. The point was that we so often lionize the dead for the meager accomplishment of... well... being dead, but this shouldn't be the case. You see this effect in Hollywood sometimes to with actors like Heath Ledger and James Dean where people seem to think their death retroactively makes them this tortured prodigy even though any real analysis of their talent level proves them to be very narrowly skilled at best. If you took my comment about Chester's lack of talent being particularly evident on that insufferable Breaking The Habit song as disrespectful toward him, you would be correct. I afford him no respect, and I do not owe him any. If you took the comment as disrespectful towards you personally, you would be incorrect.
Given that the Nobel committee awarded the prize in the literature category to Bob Dylan I would say any amount of shit-flinging directed at them is well earned. The Nobel Prize in literature is an absolute joke and not a desirable accolade anymore. Hell, the Canadian equivalent prize in literature is more valid, and they gave that to a book about a crazy lady living in the woods fucking a bear.
Thick skin is not meant to reflect hypermasculine tough-guy posturing either. It's a way of being able to absorb and properly internalize antagonistic behaviors in such a fashion as to formulate a proper response without the interference of hurt feelings. These two things are not the same at all.

Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away I went on a band's forum. I cannot remember which one, it may have been Metallica. It was horrible and consisted primarily of "Metallica rulz!" on every topic. Forums where everyone agrees with each other seem the most pointless form of communication in history. 

Ahem, yes you have, twice in the one post and you highlighted it.
 
 
 
Three times in fact
.You also dropped two bullshits, an asshole and an anus for the record
 

Even more points if you can get a guy named Anonymous to sign it.

Do I get extra points if I can get the one signed by Euronymous?
Posercorpse, what a great fucking name for a label!

Unless you get the original Posercorpse version!  https://www.revolvermag.com/culture/white-whale-vinyl-mayhems-deathcrush-comes-pretty-pink

Not you!
 
Excellent.

According to trve black metal, this opinion is FALSE:

Doubly true for metal communities online!

According to trve black metal, this opinion is FALSE:

Doubly true for metal communities online!

I'm honestly a little curious here about what it is you'd like people to do? I see variations of this sort of comment quite often, but no one ever really elaborates about exactly what they mean by "be respectful". Should people just not express their dislike for something? Pretend they like it? Ignore the subject completely?

You're not looking for discussion about a musical style, you're looking for a safe space from criticism. That's not how this metal community thing works. Everyone and everything gets criticized here. Metalheads shit on my music every day of the week and do you think I'm crying about it? People are entitled to their opinions whether we agree with them or not. Why should I care what others may think of the evil lo-fi filth I crave? Plenty of otherwise good sensible people who will routinely rubbish my favorite music. Indeed over the course of my entire life most people I've had occasion to speak to about music have tried to invalidate metal music and portray it as lesser than. But that doesn't change or invalidate how I feel about it. You need thick skin to be a metalhead. The world doesn't owe you understanding and everyone doesn't need to agree on everything all the time. We owe you common courtesy but not respect, that has to be earned.
Not sure what your example paragraph where you quoted a comment about how certain bands aren't really metal has to do with anything. Why should anyone be mindful of the fact that some people have different taste in music? We're giving our opinions of music that exists and that many of us happen to abhor, and those opinions won't change just because someone else somewhere likes it. Because who cares? You don't get to have your favorite bands accepted as being metal if most metalheads reject that idea. You're free to think it's whatever you want, but you can't expect or demand that others will agree with your wacky off-the-wall ideas. I wouldn't go on a Nu-metal forum and insist that they should accept my beloved Archgoat as nu-metal just because they both use guitars. Musical genres exist and have generally accepted definitions. Words have meanings.
Music criticism is valid. It's an art unto itself. Hate to break it to you Bud but as a rule most metalheads don't like pop music. Nu-metal is pop music, so for a metalhead to say they hate it isn't some big revelation or a hot take or outrageous or anything. That's the standard default metalhead position that nu-metal blows and is not metal. If you like it that's fine, but why should anyone care? Fact is many of us hate that some of this shit even exists. If that offends you just keep in mind the very existence of this stuff offends many of us and the fact that for over 25 years now there have been idiots who've insisted on calling it metal only compounds that offense. I'd say that makes us about even.
This is a metal forum where it would be expected that most of the people here joined to talk about metal. You're welcome to hang out and throw your two cents into the ring and maybe even learn something, who knows maybe you'll even run into someone who shares your taste in music. Stranger things have happened. But if the fact that most of us here hate nu-metal (or whatever the fuck Linkin Park is supposed to be) truly offends you, then maybe you shoud find a Linkin Park forum or join their fan club where you'll be surrounded by like-minded individuals who will love and praise their music and you'll feel right at home, snug as a bug in a rug.
But know that overwhelmingly most metalheads don't have any tolerance for that shit. And you're never going to get metalheads to be respectful of the shit we hate. It's just not in our nature. We will denounce it in no uncertain terms. Don't take it personally.

Oh, come on man. It sucks that he died, but that shouldn't act as an aegis under which absurd hyperbole like that can pass without ridicule. This is the dude who wrote a cloying self pitying power-pop single about quitting cigarettes. If you enjoy Linkin Park good on 'ya. Keep enjoying it. I'm happy for you, but calling Bennington a genius is a cosmic exaggeration that's going to garner you some much deserved mockery. Nobody's saying you need to turn in your metalhead card, though, and It's not disrespect to point and laugh at the comical, deceased or not.
Just to show that I mean no personal disrespect, I'll own up to loving Joanna Newsom's music, and that stuff can come across like some of the most twee forcibly 'indie' manic pixie cliches out there. We all deserve some derision from time to time.

Cool. Thanks for the reply. I ended up listening to both versions and they seemed a little flat in some areas, but overall I enjoyed them since they clearly weren't lacking in ideas. One of those albums that's not entirely successful, but well put together enough to merit some invested listening.

According to their Facebook page, it seems that it was just because they found the instrumental version interesting!
 

Do not forget the first three Ulver albums (and demos)!

Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Burzum - S/T
I'm not saying these are the best albums by these bands (some are, some aren't), but these are the albums where 2nd wave black metal essentially started
 
Bad reference point. Emperor were doing something a bit different from the others with their symphonic style of black metal. The two bands that really laid down the blueprint for the stereotypical Norsecore sound were probably Darkthrone and Mayhem.
In other words, if it reminds you of Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas or Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky it's probably 2nd wave.
...and don't worry. Whitenoise will be along any minute now to provide you with a list of 300 albums you should listen to 😁

Well then I stand corrected. As Balor and Surge and apparently Hellhammer have all pointed out now, Varg did in fact play bass on DMDS but was not credited. I'm not a Mayhem biographer, I was just going by what they had listed on M-A.

That's correct, according to Hellhammer anyway.