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HAIL!!! to another drummer!

yep!!!

no not bitching...I could really care less what a bunch of kids think about my music... it is more me realizing that I am in the same place that I always saw my friends older brothers being in back then: they all thought that Zep, Cream, Iron Butterfly, etc were awesome, and we called it "old people music"...now I am the old people...and I also think the genre title is funny ...and the My Dying Bride thing was because the first kid who called my music dad metal had a MDB shirt on...at the time, I did not know who they were

hmmm...I always considered VoiVod punk...or more "rough" around the edges to be true prog...will have to relisten again

^^^ thanks all!!! I have tried some other metal forums, and a lot of them seem dead. So far this one has been pretty cool.

So, I think this "genre" is hilarious. and I am sure that I fully fit into it. But it is what kids who listen to the newer "metal" crap like My Dying Bride, Between the Buried and Me, and many others call pretty much all of the other metal genres. So funny that they are so naive as to where all of that music came from... can't believe it has come down to this

all metal bands use the djent thing...it is a staple sound started by Sabbath...specifically in Symptom of the Universe. To me, most current "DJent" bands are just metalcore....which I try to avoid personally... Meshuggah was always prog-or tech death metal...probably one of the first in that genre...but that is to me....

I am also in the minority in that I relly like the album. The production is horrible...but in sort of a "B movie" style that lends to the overall creepiness that the cover introduces. Like it was a lone album living by itself in a shack in the hills....in fact, I did not like anything after it. It is the last Sabbath album i know

yeah. I think the vocals were what threw us...especially after hearing Dickinson, Geoff Tate, Jeff Scott Soto, Dio....I was expecting it to also be that clear I guess.

To me, music in general is a spiritual, mental, metaphysical, purely physical, scientific, emotional journey. So much so that I became a professional musician to learn more about it and delve deeper into it. Music is my main religion for sure Music definitely moves me in a spiritual sense. Metal music specifically (and punk as well) has taught me much about spirituality, especially views on religion, that has defined my current spiritual state. My dad was pagan growing up, and my mom was Lutheran. I always identified with the naturalist.animist side that my dad had,so I ended up leaning more towards that growing up. We are Swedish in heritage, so I also identified with the Norse mythos. As a young'n, I also found a lot of reference to that in the music I loved, so it was a natural fit. I also got into and studied Western Hermetic Magik, as well as Kabbahlism and other esoteric studies - a lot from the imagery and lyrics of heavy metal, and that has shaped my spiritualism as well. Through these studies, I also found Eastern religious viewpoints as well.

Prog metal/originators(?) 1. Queensryche 2. Fates Warning 3. Watchtower 4. Sanctuary

I feel like it all started with Derek Riggs...I consider him the master... I also always liked the artwork on the early Slayer albums...the Medieval/Renaissance woodcut inspired work of Larry Carrol... was also a sucker for any fantasy/D&D kind of art

yep. Slayer does not deny their punk influences...especially earlier on. agree with the Death Angel..and possibly Metal Church?

ugh...that sux. Gonna have to listen to both groups catalogs in memory! Thoughts are definitely going their way for sure...will soundcheck with some Nevermore riffs this weekend as well

yeah....Metallica dropped out of Big 4 status after ...And Justice....replaced by a flood of other awesome!! at the time though, I would have done: 1. Anthrax 2. Slayer 3. Megadeth 4. Metallica I am probably in the minority, but I always loved Anthrax's vibe..the whole thumbing their nose at "leather metal", and their punk/street/skate/NY thing. They were nerds of a sort...and so am/was I. I got into them via listening to Suicidal, DRI, Agnostic Front and other hardcore stuff....

wow - Cirith Ungol...brings back sooo many memories of looking at their album covers and geeking out on the fantasy vibe. Old school D&D nerd here as well.!! I remember buying Grim Reapers See You In Hell and CU's King Of The Dead on the same day. They were pretty bad though. We always joked around about how "unpolished" they were. I could only listen to one or two songs and then had to go to something else for a while.

Oh yeah...I agree. and i tink this is the main area where sub genres take hold I also have always been in the camp that does not mind labels. it is natural for humans to categorize things. sooo many of my friends in bands hate "being labeled"...they think it is an insult. I feel the opposite. When someone says, "man you guys sound like the best of DRI and Pantera", I am flattered. I am proud to say that I play in a "Crossover/thrash/punk band" Also, in my experiences, I feel that most of the people who "hate being labeled", are that way because they are not doing anything that is truly original, but can't deal with it. I get this from so many guys in bands who just sound like mainstream schlock....but they want to feel like they are groundbreaking

yep..and they were VERY down to earth. At the Cleveland gig, we all went to dinner after soundcheck at this little diner that was around the corner form the club. We talked about a ton of cool stuff. There was no "stupidity" as I call it. Mark Zonder and i talked about the use of electronic drums and how they were coming onto the scene back then...also discussion of the cold weather up there In Cincy, Ray Alder, Joe DiBiase and I talked about Dungeons and Dragons (among other things) pretty much the whole time in the alley behind Bogarts...like for a couple of hours after the show. I also remember Sesame Street being part of the convo for some reason....

48...I am old...BUT... - I got to see Ozzy with Randy Rhoads - got to see Metallica with Cliff - was around when NWOBHM was actually new (my 3rd concert ever was Judas Priest and Iron Maiden on the Screaming For Vengeance/Number of The Beast tour)..so I also got to see Maiden with Clive Burr...forgot about that will always be a metal head. Saw sooooo many of my friends "grow up" and grow out of metal, usually to get into other absolutely LAME generes of music...I call it "falseing" out.

Fates Warning is in my top 5 most favorite bands of all time. Got to meet them and hang with them at 2 shows (Cincinnati and Cleveland) on the Perfect Symmetry tour. Got into the right after Awaken The Guardian came out...

we got our first taste of "real winter" here today, so as I always do on that day, i listened to Immortal: At The Heart Of Winter

I found out about Giger b/c of the To Mega Therion artwork for Celtic Frost....didn't realize he had inspired or worked on the sets and art themes for the Alien movie as well

I also agree that they are closer to regular metal than death...definitely have the Southern Fried groove thing going on as well...a-la Pantera and post 90's COC I think they get the death reference b/c of the vocals sometimes being sort of "Cookie Monsterish", or at least growly, but they don't have the "density" of what I would call a death metal band. I sometimes lum them in a genre that I made up for myself called "Organic-metal"...metal with a weird sort of down to earth sound...like COC,

man, I remember being at work in fall of 91 and one of the guys put a tape in the boom box and just said "check this out"...the first strains of Cowboys From Hell came on, and we all instantly started moshing...in the kitchen...at the restaurant we worked in. It was definitely life changing. Saw them later that spring in a the same club where Dime would be killed years later (isn't that wierd?). My bands had always played thee, so we knew security. they let us in during load in and sound check and we got to meet them all. They were still touring in an old grey van with a trailer. We helped them load in. After sound check, Phil, Dime and some of the crew headed to Ohio States campus to find pot. Rex, Vinnie, my two freinds and some of the other crew walked to a Denny's to get food. We f-ing ate dinner with the rhythm section of Pantera!!! Vinnie put down 2 Grand Slam's!! The show that night was awesome...there were only 75-100 people there, so the group was having lots of fun. Taking requests....at the end, Phil got on drums and Vinnie came out and sang, and they did about an hour of half-assing numerous cover songs...at the end, we helped them load out and they were on their way to the next hotel... 2 months later the Cemetery Gates video hit MTV, and the rest is history. Fast forward 12 years later...Damage Plan is playing the same club, and my band is supposed to open up for them that night. We had to turn down the show b/c our singer at the time could not get child-care. The rest of us still went to the show, and then it happened....one of the most surreal and f-ed up nights of my life!!! I was not a huge fan od Damage Plan, but Pantera had definitely redefined my view on heavy groove.

I think it is harder for genres to appear now...and also it is (falsely) easier. I also think certain "new" genres are just repeats of old genres that the new bands are not aware of having been around. For me, a genre is like the large "Catch-all" category. then there are variations. And sometimes I think we go overboard with the variations...like "technical gore-grind black death metal core"....really? We don't need to get that detailed I think. Like to me, there is really no huge diffeence between Cephalic Carnage, Dillinger Escape Plan and Meshuggah. There are differences for sure, but not enough to have each warrant it's own genre description. Maybe it is me just not wanting to detail it that much... in my world, these are the main metal genres: 1st wave (Sabbath; Budgie; Deep Purple etc...); NWOBHM; prog-metal; power metal; death metal; black metal; thrash metal; hair metal; doom metal; stoner metal; crap metal (Nu-Metal or Rap metal); soccer mom metal (stuff like you see at Rock on the Range) I use mostly musical elements to differentiate them like tempo, harmonic style; phrase arrangement; vocal cadence, as well as sound texture, specific guitar/bass sounds; use of non guitar effects etc. I generally don't classify genre by lyrical content