Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

[themetalvoice]

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[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice I can't say that I agree with those, with the exception of my buddies in Vektor getting named. The newest Motorhead is pretty good, but it wouldn't make my top 10. Also, how the fuck did Whitesnake make number 1?

[ReturntoCarthage]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice Let me say you guys are terrible at making pics, the bands are either way past their prime or making their music so unchallenging with pop elements that they are easily on their way to a mainstreamers top 10. The lists were terrible, and you guys need to just get your own show on VH1 or something.

[themetalvoice]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice Ok you said your piece, what are your top 10. Better be good....

[ReturntoCarthage]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice What would posting it matter to you, I don't listen to either Alice cooper, Motorhead, Vektor, or Saxon Whitesnake, or any of the bands which obviously have more relevance to your ears and mainstream viewership than any of the bands I would post. I can agree with Iced Earth's Dystopia but thats really about it. Here is my list and given the fact I don't expect you to know most of them, they probably aren't radio friendly enough to make a vid worthy of a Mastodon fan's time: Cynic-Carbon based anatomy Sanguis Imperem-In glory we march to our doom Archgoat-Heavenly Vulva (Christ's Last Rites) Taake-Noregs Vaapen Iced Earth-Dystopia Root-Heritage of Satan Midnight-Satanic Royalty Jungle Rot-Kill on Command Mitochondrion-Parasignosis Crucified Mortals-Crucified Mortals Dantesco-Seven years of battle Necros Christos-Doom of the Occult Hell-Human Remains Satan's Host-By the hand of the devil Burzum-Fallen Encoffination - O Hell, Shrine in Thy White Sepulchres Absu-Abzu Speedwolf-Ride with death Assassin-Breaking the silence Antideluvian-Through the cervix of Hawah Bestial Raids-Prime evil damnation Condemned (US)-Realms of the ungodly.

[themetalvoice]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice Let me explain to you how death metal vocals came to be. It all started in the 70- 80’s, with punk and speed metal, with celtric frost, voivod , black flag ect...Basically guys wanted to join bands but could not sing properly so they screamed instead to cover up their inability and insecurities and need to stand out of the crowd, in turn this caused a sort of new category of metal called death metal. The vocals got harsher and harsher up to this day. The only problem with death metal vocals are that everyone screams the same way, a scream is a scream. Sure it is effective and sounds good in songs but there is no tone, no range and no difference. I don’t hate or love death metal vocals but i think it is limited. A voice is an instrument and death vocals would be the equivalent of playing two cords on a guitar over and over again, not much of a musical challenge. You got some good picks there Let us review your list....... Cynic-Carbon based anatomy –they sound like a great band, great pick Sanguis Imperem-typical death metal heard it before a thousand times Archgoat –sounds like sanguis heard it before Taake-Noregs Vaapen –sounds like vector, not bad Iced Earth-Dystopia –agree with you great album, nothing like a middle aged rocker coming up with a great album Root-Heritage of Satan –sounds cool 8-10 Midnight-Satanic Royalty –not bad i am sure they were influenced by venom Jungle Rot- nice music same old vocals Mitochondrion-Parasignosis –nothing new Dantesco- good stuff Necros Christos-Doom of the Occult-not bad would be good in a horror movie Hell-Human Remains –I have seen this band before these guys kick butt, what a great singer Satan's Host-By the hand of the devil –these guys are good Encoffination – heard it before a 1000 times

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice Man, you are an asshole. And you're telling me there are no differences between these two performances? gNhN6lT-y5U hJme5uubkyQ And I bet you couldn't growl like either of those guys no matter how hard you tried... although of course growling would be beneath you, wouldn't it.

[NTNR]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

Man, you are an asshole. And you're telling me there are no differences between these two performances? gNhN6lT-y5U hJme5uubkyQ And I bet you couldn't growl like either of those guys no matter how hard you tried... although of course growling would be beneath you, wouldn't it.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

What would posting it matter to you, I don't listen to either Alice cooper, Motorhead, Vektor, or Saxon Whitesnake, or any of the bands which obviously have more relevance to your ears and mainstream viewership than any of the bands I would post. I can agree with Iced Earth's Dystopia but thats really about it. Here is my list and given the fact I don't expect you to know most of them, they probably aren't radio friendly enough to make a vid worthy of a Mastodon fan's time: Cynic-Carbon based anatomy Sanguis Imperem-In glory we march to our doom Archgoat-Heavenly Vulva (Christ's Last Rites) Taake-Noregs Vaapen Iced Earth-Dystopia Root-Heritage of Satan Midnight-Satanic Royalty Jungle Rot-Kill on Command Mitochondrion-Parasignosis Crucified Mortals-Crucified Mortals Dantesco-Seven years of battle Necros Christos-Doom of the Occult Hell-Human Remains Satan's Host-By the hand of the devil Burzum-Fallen Encoffination - O Hell, Shrine in Thy White Sepulchres Absu-Abzu Speedwolf-Ride with death Assassin-Breaking the silence Antideluvian-Through the cervix of Hawah Bestial Raids-Prime evil damnation Condemned (US)-Realms of the ungodly.

I'll ignore the Mastodon jab. You know a cool dm band that put out an album last year that no-one seems to be talking about? This New Zealand band call Ulcerate. The record is called "the Destroyers of All", check it out. You might like them, NTNR. 7pQIokJO1mc

[NTNR]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice OK, two canucks rambling on in a boring fashion killed my desire to keep watching after 1 minute. Canadians just don't know.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice There are some sweet double kick drums in that song. It's always cool when you have slow, crushing riffs with hummingbird-fast double kicks.

[ReturntoCarthage]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice They're just from a different and earlier generation that wasn't exposed to the level of extremity in the music today. I understand where they are coming from, even though I obviously don't agree with their assessment of dm vocals. He even reviewed my picks for 2011, so they can't be all that bad they just need to broaden their reviewing standards to the other subgenres of the music.

[ReturntoCarthage]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

I'll ignore the Mastodon jab. You know a cool dm band that put out an album last year that no-one seems to be talking about? This New Zealand band call Ulcerate. The record is called "the Destroyers of All", check it out. You might like them, NTNR. 7pQIokJO1mc

I've heard Everything is fire and its a great album in that ambient/theatrical death metal style, much better than Portal and bands like that,

[NTNR]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

You might like them, NTNR. 7pQIokJO1mc

Not bad. Kind of Post but I'm all about the slow! (huge surprise I know)

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

Let me explain to you how death metal vocals came to be. It all started in the 70- 80’s, with punk and speed metal, with celtric frost, voivod , black flag ect...Basically guys wanted to join bands but could not sing properly so they screamed instead to cover up their inability and insecurities and need to stand out of the crowd, in turn this caused a sort of new category of metal called death metal. The vocals got harsher and harsher up to this day. The only problem with death metal vocals are that everyone screams the same way, a scream is a scream. Sure it is effective and sounds good in songs but there is no tone, no range and no difference. I don’t hate or love death metal vocals but i think it is limited. A voice is an instrument and death vocals would be the equivalent of playing two cords on a guitar over and over again, not much of a musical challenge.

This is a very broad generalization that doesn't really ring true at all. Harsh vocals really started with Lemmy, guys like Cronos and Quorthon took the style and ran with it, but it doesn't matter if Lemmy vocalized that way because he was incapable of singing or if he just liked it. The point is, the tradition has carried on that as the music became more harsh, the vocals became more harsh along with them, and while this is not always true, could you imagine a death metal band with a Bruce Dickinson styled vocalist? It would sound ridiculous, brutal music is complimented by brutal vocals, and while clean vocals passages can be effectively used in extreme metal, having them as the focal point would probably either sound awkward or take away from the music. In any case, writing off a band just because of the vocals is ludicrous, especially when there are plenty of bad clean singers out there that could be easily written off as well. As far as all death metal vocals sounding the same, I can't disagree more. I can understand that since you're not massively into the style, it might take some discernment on your part to hear subtle differences, but to paint a broad stroke over all death metal vocalists is ignorant. I could paint just as broad of a stroke and say that all power metal vocalists sound the same, but it's just not true. I'm not the biggest power metal fan out there, so I might not be able to tell Tobias Sammet's vocals from Fabio Lione's, but I can't just make an uninformed claim like yours when there are such diverse artists out there as Udo Dirkschneider and Roy Kahn. I know Set The World Ablaze already posted a couple of examples, but I'll post a couple of more extreme ones just in case you didn't get the point: Mj5Ajt3r5xA XxizB02d0gE

[themetalvoice]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice You guys make a good point that the more someone is exposed to a certain genre the more they can notice the subtitle differences. Not sure about your statement about Lemmy though. Lemmy Started in a band called Hawkwind which was a prog band where he sang clean. Punk music is where the root of harsh vocals came from, the whole idea was plug and play and where Lemmy was somewhat influenced Not sure who old all of you are but I remember the end of the harsh vocal punk movement and the beginning of the harsh vocal metal movement. ACDC and Nazareth were the first to go mainstream with melodic screaming and from there it kept going more extreme to today. Like I said I don’t hate or love the style I am neutral, I think it has a place and I like it when bands like Opeth go back and forth between clean and harsh. I guess I am getting old and like it when a vocalist use their voices in different ways, ranges and tones. But to each his own, there is no wrong or right just music

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice

You guys make a good point that the more someone is exposed to a certain genre the more they can notice the subtitle differences. Not sure about your statement about Lemmy though. Lemmy Started in a band called Hawkwind which was a prog band where he sang clean. Punk music is where the root of harsh vocals came from' date=' the whole idea was plug and play and where Lemmy was somewhat influenced[/quote'] Hawkwind is a big influence on the later works of one of my favorite bands, Enslaved, so I know who they are. It could then be inferred that Lemmy's harsh vocals in Motorhead were a matter of preference and not for lack of talent, negating your original point. Punk may have had the "plug and play" attitude, but Johnny Rotten and Joey Ramone were nowhere near as harsh sounding as Lemmy, more content with just singing in an abrasive manner with limited range, similar to their playing. Motorhead's biggest punk influence (by their own admission) was The Damned, which is still a ways from Lemmy's raspy delivery. I don't think my age should make a difference, I'm listening to the same records you're talking about with the time frame in mind, and while I don't know every band in history, I always try to do my homework before I voice my opinion. I'm trying to look at this as everyone influencing each other, instead of just a linear progression. Discharge are one of the most influential hardcore punk bands upon metal music, and you can hear their influence near the beginning of the "harsh vocal metal movement" in bands like Repulsion, Anthrax, Sepultura, Metallica, etc..., but they took a great deal of their sound from Motorhead, most notoriously the D-Beat drum pattern. Everything is interconnected, most metal musicians don't just listen to metal, as with most metal fans. I would also not go so far as to say that AC/DC and Nazareth's vocals were "melodic screaming", especially considering that Brian Johnson was the vocalist with the raspy tone and he didn't join until long after Motorhead was releasing albums. Bon Scott's delivery was nasal and brash, but wasn't really a scream.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Top 10 Heavy Metal Albums 2011-The Metal Voice just gonna weigh in here and say that Iced Earth - Dystopia does not deservve to be called one of the best of 2011, personally I find that album to be rather boring, then again I've hated everything Iced Earth has released since Something Wicked, and consider the previous album "The Dark Saga" to be their last great album apart from that though I can't make a judgement since I loved the Motorhead album and the only other album I bought in 2011 that was actually released that year to my knowledge was Megadeth's Th1rt3eN which I was terribly dissapointed with