Cradle of Filth

[General Metal]

Dani Filth. Discuss. (This is a question that could go on an exam for school hehe)

[ReturntoCarthage]

Re: Cradle of Filth A decent band whom I adored when I was fourteen and who has always received too much flak for absolutely nothing, they aren't black metal, so it's no big deal to me Midian is a classic.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth I was introduced to them when I was in high school, I can't recall what grade. I thought (and still think) that their name was stupid, that is until the store owner played 'Cuthulu Dawn' from Midian. I was a die hard fan from that second forward. I've got all their material and was fortunate enough to see them once. I've never understood why they've received such intense hatred over the years as they are an original band that keeps reinventing themselves.

[General Metal]

Re: Cradle of Filth They're one of my favourite bands, and I would say that they fit into the Black Metal genre, just not well. It's probably closest in my opinion. I like Dani Filth, and how intelligent he is, and how funny he is. I mean, his comment that CoF were "Heavy Funk" made me laugh so hard.

[NTNR]

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They're one of my favourite bands' date=' and I would say that they fit into the Black Metal genre, just not well. It's probably closest in my opinion. I like Dani Filth, and how intelligent he is, and how funny he is. I mean, his comment that CoF were "Heavy Funk" made me laugh so hard.[/quote'] He is funny, especially in their older days. I don't consider them BM, I've always considered them to be Occult Metal or Gothic Metal. Then again if doesn't sound like Venom its NOT BM to me.

[General Metal]

Re: Cradle of Filth Well, since Venom started it, that's a fair enough statement. Having said that, I don't see Occult or Gothic Metal as their own subgenres, so much as a sub-subgenre, like Melodic Death Metal, or Symphonic Power Metal. I still throw them into Black Metal, but a different form of it I suppose.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth I hope their next release is better then their last two. Not that those albums were necessarily bad, but they fell beneath the bar on over all quality. I like that they've gotten heavier (since Damnation and a Day) but they've lost their signature sound in the process. Due to personal changes of course but its apparently worked out for them. They're one of those few bands that I could be happy with if they still sounded like they did on their third or fourth album. Some bands you want to grow and expand, I think CoF shouldn't have been one of them.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Cradle of Filth I like all of their stuff, but they haven't really been black metal for some time. The influence is still there, and even in their death metal days, the gothic influence was there, so they've really just shifted focus over the years. That being said, I don't think they'll ever top Vempire or Dusk.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Cradle of Filth I used to be a huge fan but now not so much, I don't mind listening to them every now and then but not a band that I play frequently, I think they're somewhere between black and death metal but I haven't heard anything they've done since Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth I love 'em, although they peaked with Damnation and a Day and have gone steadily downhill ever since. I don't consider them black metal either, just extreme metal.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth I agree to a point regarding them peeking at Damnation. I didn't like Nymphetamine so much upon the first few listens but its grown on me. I do agree that from said album back was when they made their best material. I'd rate the following as such: Nymphetamine - 7/10 Thornography - 5/10 Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder - 6/10 Darkly, Darkly, Venus Aversa - 4/10 I like that they've gotten heavier but they don't really sound like themselves anymore.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth Mmm, actually I agree - Godspeed is better than Thornography. Nymphetamine has some of my favorite songs on it - Absinthe with Faust and the title track come to mind, but there's too much filler on that one. Damnation isn't actually my favorite (that would be Dusk... and Her Embrace), but it is the one where I feel like they accomplished exactly what they were trying to - and in many ways the albums following it feel like they are trying to recapture that.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth This might be controversial - Andrea Meyer/Nebel/Haugen/whatever the hell she goes by nowadays (the vocalist on the debut) had a more haunting and sexy speaking voice than Sara. Discuss. (Also, were you guys aware that she's also Samoth from Emperor's ex-wife? Lady gets around - she did the Cradle thing then moved to Norway and married Samoth, then divorced him and moved back to England )

[NTNR]

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This might be controversial - Andrea Meyer/Nebel/Haugen/whatever the hell she goes by nowadays (the vocalist on the debut) had a more haunting and sexy speaking voice than Sara. Discuss. (Also, were you guys aware that she's also Samoth from Emperor's ex-wife? Lady gets around - she did the Cradle thing then moved to Norway and married Samoth, then divorced him and moved back to England )

I figured as much as, regarding your favorite. Damnation is a good CoF album but hardly their best. Principals was my favorite for several years before Cruelty took it over. Dusk is brilliance (I never understood why so many said it was their best however). I hated Vempire for the longest time, but it's grown on me. The same goes for Bitter Suites. That album was 90% filler when I first heard it. I've since lowered that to about 45%, lol. I think Midian was their most professional in terms of production and solidified style. It took the best of their original sound and blended it with what they were heading towards. A favorite for a long time as well. My biggest complaint about it was the fact that they used PRS guitars and they ALL sound the same to me. That and hundreds of bands in both metal and rock were using them and the stagnant tones they produce litter what should've been a better album. I also never understood why Sara was only a "session" member when she was practically the only person aside from Dani to be on every album. Her presence was negligible at best IMO. She never did enough to make or break any given song. I never know about Andrea however.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth I love Cruelty too. People complain about the production but I think it adds to the atmosphere. I've never understood that either, if you watch the various documentaries you get the impression that she was never very well-treated by the band.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth It was a funky situation I'm sure. Her first solo band, 'Angtoria', was pretty good. The songs were pretty good (and Aaron Stainthrope of MDB fame wrote and sang on a song with her). Her first solo album under her name sucked however.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Cradle of Filth I don't think Cruelty is as good as the first few, or Midian for that matter. The production may have something to do with it, as my favorite CoF album, Vempire, has some of their thickest and heaviest guitar sounds. It also has their best songs, with the superior version of The Forest Whispers My Name, so it wins on all fronts for me.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth I've never had a problem with the production on any of their albums. They're leaps and bounds better than anything Emperor ever did, yet people seem to love their music so go figure.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Cradle of Filth Nah, Emperor's guitar sound was heavier (and the production better overall, IMO) than Cradle's pretty much the whole time. They were really reverb soaked up until Anthems, but they were deep and buzzy, whereas Cradle's sound went from blunt and dull to airy and light on Cruelty.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth From what I heard CoF has always been heavier. I'm sure I'd probably have liked more Emperor more if they had actually had good production. Shitty production doesn't equate "heavy" or "good" too me. It can play in a bands favor at times but over all it's a bad thing to be overcome. As it turns out, Anthems is the only Emperor album I like.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth I love In the Nightside Eclipse, but then I love Transylvanian Hunger, so...

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth I had their 93 EP and sold it to a friend because it sucked. I heard a little of Nightside and couldn't get into it. I picked Anthems up and was pleasantly surprised. Equilibrium sucked horribly however.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth Agreed about IX Equilibrium (Although the first track, Curse You All Men, sounds really awesome when they've played it live). Prometheus is the one I've never been able to get into at all. Ihsahn's newest solo record is quite good, anyone heard it? Oh, and I've never heard any of Sara's stuff. I'm not a big enough fan of her voice to care, to be perfectly honest.

[NTNR]

Re: Cradle of Filth If I recall wasn't Prometheus more Death than Black? I too wasn't that interested in Sara's "talents" but a friend played the single (God has a plan for us all) from said album and I was hooked.

[Os Abysmi Vel Daath]

Re: Cradle of Filth I don't know what the fuck Prometheus is. All I know is that the "wooooooop, wooooooop" strings on Depraved are really freaking annoying.