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Especially on the album Kannon.

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So black metal is, in essence, dark and atmospheric sounding metal?

Cool, thanks. They all sound interesting.

Strunkiin put out a really good ep this month. Havukruunu is also really good.

Cool, I will have to try and listen to them in order. What style do they shift to in the latter two?

I just listened to Bergtatt in its entirety for the first time a few weeks ago. It is an amazing album, and I credit the opening track (I think that is the one) for getting me into black metal.

Since my definition is incorrect, how would you define black metal? (I am honestly asking this question, I am not just trying to prop up my argument that was evidently incorrect.) I will take a look at the thread, thanks. Good list too. Is the trilogy by Ulver just their first three albums (like Bergtatt)? Thanks for the listening suggestion, I will try to listen to it as soon as possible.

I will probably just have to suck it up and pay for a nice one at some point. The only thing that irritates me more than a high price is getting a product in poor condition.

Batushka and Mgla are great. If only Batushka would do a US tour!

From Discogs? I want to get it, but am hesitating about spending that much.

Cool, how much was Hvis Lyset Tar Oss?

While the first wave may have pioneered the genre, the second wave certainly epitomized what is now understood as black metal. It was during the second wave that tremolo picking, blast beats, screeched vocals, and black metal imagery were all combined together in their most recognizable forms. If black metal were judged according to the first wave, then the metric would be closer to speed metal.

Well... then enlighten me.

It dos't necessarily matter that the music is not new or groundbreaking as long as it is executed with quality. I think that they play really well, and the vocals are great.

So is the point of this thread to discuss whether we like first or second wave black metal more? If so, I would definitely have to go with second wave, as it encompassed the first real black metal bands. While the first wave has some good music, none of it is truly black metal, but rather a collection of bands that all contributed sounds, imagery, and themes to the musical movement that would eventually become black metal. It was not until bands like Mayhem, Burzum, and Emperor came along that the modern conception of black metal was created.

I can see it now! Thanks. You were right. I just looked them up and ordered their new cd.

Is "Blood Metal" a thing? I watched a youtube video earlier this week where it was mentioned, along with black and death metal, as a metal genre with an extremist ideology. (I also was not aware that there was a "death metal ideology"). Or is this just somebody who has no idea what he is talking about? Here is the video:

Necrobutcher

No Emperor logo? Also, what band's logo is under Dark Funeral (just above the logo on the bottom left)?

Look up the youtube documentary on Mayhem (I think it is called "On the Road with Mayhem" or something). It focused entirely on Necrobutcher, and discussed his response to Dead's suicide in depth. It was really interesting.

You like The Ways of Yore over Dauði Baldrs? I like Varg's dungeon synth stuff, but have yet to really get into his new stuff. The simplicity of Burzum is actually something that I really like. It made the writing of music seem more doable to me. Beyond that, it is really cool that Varg was able to achieve the atmosphere that he did, despite the structural simplicity of his songs. I like to listen to Burzem while painting too.

Yeah, I thought they were dungeon synth. Thanks, I will look them up.

Cool, good finds.

Burzum - The Crying Orc