Hails to you all

[BloodHornVital]

Yeah, I wasn’t there in the 90’s. From my pov it just seemed Life is killing me was everywhere where I looked. Not a bad thing at all. Such a great band should be marketed for a reason. I wouldn’t be so harsh on October rust.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

On 1/24/2024 at 10:13 AM, JonoBlade said:

October Rust was Type O's commercial/mainstream peak. That record was specifically written with "getting chicks" in mind, after the success of Bloody Kisses (BK being the only one to go platinum and Roadrunner's most successful record at the time). In my view Type O were coasting at a similar level from World Coming Down through to the end. I wouldn't say LiKM is a mainstream album, nor at the height of their career.

For a long time I considered Dead Again their best album, for all the reasons @GoatmasterGeneral mentioned. However, more recently I find Life is Killing Me to be the unsung hero of the catalog. The closing tracks Anesthesia thru The Dream is Dead are just perfect. 

But that is the power of the green man. Any of those albums could be the best.... except October Rust; but even that one I might give another go some day.

It's ironic that October Rust was the current album when I first heard Type O (my guess some time in 1997)  and I liked it well enough then, but Bloody Kisses was the dog's bollocks ....I've just played it too many times for it to be my favorite anymore.

So wait, "the dog's bollocks" is good or bad? Dog's breakfast is bad, his bollocks must be good. (I should think, because he spends enough goddamn time licking them) It's probably like "chuffed" which sounds like it should be a bad thing, but turns out it's actually good.

LIKM is certainly an unsung hero, but it's not a Dead Again level masterpiece. WCD is the one that gets old for me, it was my favorite for so long that I might have worn it out a bit. Still consider Creepy Green Light probably my favorite Type-O song of all though. Anesthesia starts out with that great riff in the first half but then I think it falls apart later in the song. I'd really like to know which riffs Pete wrote and which ones Kenny came up with across all their albums. I don't think Kenny gets nearly enough credit for the insanely good riffs packed into a lot of their songs, and of course his vocals.

[JonoBlade]

On 1/26/2024 at 7:00 AM, GoatmasterGeneral said:

So wait, "the dog's bollocks" is good or bad? Dog's breakfast is bad, his bollocks must be good. (I should think, because he spends enough goddamn time licking them) 

LIKM is certainly an unsung hero, but it's not a Dead Again level masterpiece. WCD is the one that gets old for me, it was my favorite for so long that I might have worn it out a bit. Still consider Creepy Green Light probably my favorite Type-O song of all though. Anesthesia starts out with that great riff in the first half but then I think it falls apart later in the song. I'd really like to know which riffs Pete wrote and which ones Kenny came up with across all their albums. I don't think Kenny gets nearly enough credit for the insanely good riffs packed into a lot of their songs, and of course his vocals.

I never thought about it, but yes dog's bollocks must be good because they sure do love 'em.

Not sure how Anesthesia falls apart later in the song. It's actually fairly economical compared to many type o tracks. The line "I don't feel anything" is a highlight of the album.

Peter is credited with writing every type o song. Kenny never had a songwriting credit (to my recollection ) which I do wonder about, because his post o bands Seventh Void and Silvertomb were excellent. He's all we have now and still does good work and sings great.

 

[FatherAlabaster]

I pretty much agree with Jon. Anesthesia is a highlight. The song does slow down, and even sound a little mellow in parts, horror of horrors.

My understanding is also that writing for the band was Pete's baby and he and Josh put everything together. I heard rumors that Pete recorded most of the guitar parts himself. Not to take away from Kenny, he was always on point when I saw them and his vocals added a lot to the band dynamic. I can't get into any of his post TON stuff though.

[JonoBlade]

1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Not to take away from Kenny, he was always on point when I saw them and his vocals added a lot to the band dynamic. I can't get into any of his post TON stuff though.

I only saw the band once, on the LiKM tour and Kenny seemed to be the grown up holding the show together. Peter was a mess and it was worse in the Carnivore reunion I saw a few years later because Kenny wasn't there.

Silvertomb is particularly good in my opinion. The new Eye Am stuff didn't seem quite as good. But hopeful that an album will pull it off. Not interested in singles and I don't get why they thought releasing piecemeal would be a good idea.

[GoatmasterGeneral]

1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

I pretty much agree with Jon. Anesthesia is a highlight. The song does slow down, and even sound a little mellow in parts, horror of horrors.

My understanding is also that writing for the band was Pete's baby and he and Josh put everything together. I heard rumors that Pete recorded most of the guitar parts himself. Not to take away from Kenny, he was always on point when I saw them and his vocals added a lot to the band dynamic. I can't get into any of his post TON stuff though.

Anesthesia is a highlight, no doubt. For the first three minutes and 22 seconds. I don't care for the happy riff that starts the back half of the song. Happy's not really the right word but I just don't like that particular combination of notes. It's not enough to ruin the song, it's still one of the best songs on the album, but it loses some momentum for me in the back half.

I'm ok with music being "mellow" btw, the music that irritates me is this mallcore crap that's trying to market itself as hard and heavy when it's not. But mellow works just fine for me. When I'm not busy extreme metalling a lot of my favorite non-metal that I enjoy is stuff that's mellow to some extent. I don't see how you could even be a Type O fan if you had a real aversion to mellow music because a good proportion of their songs have mellow sections. Deicide they're not. I think Nettie might be my favorite song on that album (along with Anesthesia) and that one's got plenty of mellow parts.

As far as Kenny's post TON work, I only have that one Seventh Void album, and I like it well enough. Haven't heard any of his or John's other post TON stuff. And we all know Josh went off to be an EMT, I'm not aware of any other musical projects he's been involved with after Pete's death.

 

 

3 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

Not sure how Anesthesia falls apart later in the song. It's actually fairly economical compared to many Type O tracks. The line "I don't feel anything" is a highlight of the album.

Peter is credited with writing every type o song. Kenny never had a songwriting credit (to my recollection ) which I do wonder about, because his post O bands Seventh Void and Silvertomb were excellent. He's all we have now and still does good work and sings great.

I wonder about it too. I know Pete wrote the songs, but it's hard for me to believe Kenny didn't ever come up with an idea or two for riffs when they were all together working on the albums. Even though many of the best Type O riffs sound like reworked Sabbath riffs basically anyway. But someone had to rework them. And I know both Pete and Kenny are huge Sabbath fans, but I guess most of us older metalheads of a certain age born in the 60's started out as Sabbath fans back in the 70's.

[FatherAlabaster]

42 minutes ago, JonoBlade said:

I only saw the band once, on the LiKM tour and Kenny seemed to be the grown up holding the show together. Peter was a mess and it was worse in the Carnivore reunion I saw a few years later because Kenny wasn't there.

I saw them on tour three times and they weren't too good. It seemed like Pete really didn't want to be there and the rest of the band kind of felt the same. I wrote them off for a few years and then finally saw them play on home turf at L'Amour, and they were fantastic. I got to see them twice more there and they were outstanding every time. Pete's energy was totally different, he was funny and humble and charismatic.

[JonoBlade]

On 1/29/2024 at 5:58 PM, FatherAlabaster said:

I saw them on tour three times and they weren't too good. It seemed like Pete really didn't want to be there and the rest of the band kind of felt the same. I wrote them off for a few years and then finally saw them play on home turf at L'Amour, and they were fantastic. I got to see them twice more there and they were outstanding every time. Pete's energy was totally different, he was funny and humble and charismatic.

This makes me think some bands just shouldn't tour. Instead, play home turf gigs that they can really enjoy and stream them. I know it's a bit late in Type O's case because that technology barely existed back then, but you get the idea.

Nothing beats a great live gig. But, so too the level of disappointment of a half-arsed gig. 

I reckon there is a real market for interactive online pay-per-view content. There are a lot of bands I'd be just as happy to spend fifteen bucks on to see at a bespoke live gig, say with a Q&A afterwards, than travel to see live. 

As the technology catches up, you could even have live gigs with musicians remote from each other.

 

[FatherAlabaster]

27 minutes ago, JonoBlade said:

This makes me think some bands just shouldn't tour. Instead, play home turf gigs that they can really enjoy and stream them. I know it's a bit late in Type O's case because that technology barely existed back then, but you get the idea.

Nothing beats a great live gig. But, so too the level of disappointment of a half-arsed gig. 

I reckon there is a real market for interactive online pay-per-view content. There are a lot of bands I'd be just as happy to spend fifteen bucks on to see at a bespoke live gig, say with a Q&A afterwards, than travel to see live. 

As the technology catches up, you could even have live gigs with musicians remote from each other.

 

Some food for thought there. A big part of what I like about live shows is being there in person, in the moment with the musicians, and another big part is feeling the impact of air moving off the kit and from the amps and so on. I wonder what it would take to have a setup that's fast enough and interactive enough to feel like you're sharing that moment instead of just playing along and having it synced up downstream. I like a good live performance video but I don't think it could take the place of an actual show for me. It would be fun to jam on those tunes across the ocean though!

[GoatmasterGeneral]

26 minutes ago, JonoBlade said:

This makes me think some bands just shouldn't tour. Instead, play home turf gigs that they can really enjoy and stream them. I know it's a bit late in Type O's case because that technology barely existed back then, but you get the idea.

Nothing beats a great live gig. But, so too the level of disappointment of a half-assed gig. 

I reckon there is a real market for interactive online pay-per-view content. There are a lot of bands I'd be just as happy to spend fifteen bucks on to see at a bespoke live gig, say with a Q&A afterwards, than travel to see live. 

As the technology catches up, you could even have live gigs with musicians remote from each other.

 

Or they could remotely beam their holograms right into your bedroom (or the room of your choice) to play for you up close and personal. I'm sure one day none of us will ever need to leave the house for anything.

Pete always said he hated touring. He only liked playing the NY shows where he could go home and sleep in his own bed afterwards. Understandable because a dude that big would never be able to get comfortable on a tour bus, much less in a van with 6 other guys.