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  1. Most Pink Floyd albums are concept albums to some degree or another. Certainly Wish You Were Here and Animals are. But if as a listener you don't care, of course it does not matter. Not quite sure how one escapes noticing the fact that The Wall is a concept album though. It is strung together by spoken word bits/sound effects in between songs which flesh out the story. I'd not say The Wall is genius, but it is well put together. When you have a budget like Pink Floyd did at the time, may as well use it. I remember my mum getting irate at me because I was singing aloud "and that one looks Jewish, and that one's a coon, who let all this riff raff into the rooooom!" good times. I think I always liked concept albums because it was an opportunity to get deeper into the liner notes/lyrics. A dimension beyond the music and a further talking point/hook. Some artists do concept well - others not so much. Now, to make this relevant to grunge, Mellon Collie was a concept album I think although no idea what it was about, so that was one which, while I owned the CD, never bothered to delve into. I can't defend The Ryche though. You're probably right that they are a bit sterile. I have not listened to them for years. It only came up as a joke because they are from Seattle. Dimebag utilised a pitch shifter pedal in many of his solos. It is kind of like a wah but modulates the pitch, rather than the tone, in real time. Just an extra spice/trick to use. From a guitarist's perspective Dimebag did bring something fresh/new to the art. Not quite sure who would qualify as achieving that level in 2000s/2010s/2020s. There must be a million you tube guitarists that can play at a million miles an hour, but not doing anything new style-wise.
  2. Ahoy matey. Prepare for a deep dive into metal, beyond just the big names. Which most here like well enough too.
  3. Oh, I don't worry about bandwagons. It is just an odd quirk that if it became too popular in high school or uni I'd veer away from it. With G'N'R, intellectually (ironically) I knew it was decent music but to be contrary I am sure I said at some point "Guns sucks, AC/DC rules!" oh the logic of a 16 year old. Same with Nirvana. These days bandwagons are much less likely to affect me because I practically don't have a wider peer group to go along with or react against. I live in a silo and don't really engage with the wider zeitgeist (except what I see on TV on mute at the gym across the road) or hang out with work colleagues where I may be exposed to something fashionable. I'd be happy to jump on a bandwagon here on the forum because it would be an endorsement by actual metal fans (and varied at that), rather than becoming popular because it got overplayed on MTV. I love that you have a burning hatred of Queensryche. I wonder what about their existence so offended you? Perhaps the big hair and a too screamy vocalist. A bad touch by Geoff Tate? Subject matter wise they are fairly benign and they can't be more annoying than Motley Crue. Trying to wrack my brains for a band that I actively hated/despised. I mentioned hating RHCP, but that was more for effect. They're not so bad.
  4. That reminds me, no one has mentioned that most classic and influential of all grunge bands. Queensrÿche! That was exactly my stance. WN will think it hilarious that a nostalgic Priest-worshipping twit like me would think that way, but sometimes things are just too popular and you don't want to be associated with what everyone else thinks is amaze-balls. I have never heard Nevermind - like, the whole album through. I certainly never owned it. Was the same with Guns n' Roses in high school. I know it is a good band but just became too popular and I hadn't come to it naturally. I would have been jumping on a bandwagon. Later on I did have AIC up until Jar of Flies when I lost interest. And Badmotorfinger. In fact I am pretty sure I have it in a box in the garage so I might dig it out today. Come to think of it, I had a Smashing Pumpkins album. The infinite sadness one which was two CDs but that was too much.
  5. I wish I'd never used the term "metal adjacent." It doesn't even really mean anything. It could be interpreted as "metal parallel" which means it runs alongside and never overlaps with metal. Like U2 and Dire Straits are metal parallel. Rock bands rooted in blues but don't use the metal elements that started to diverge in the early 70s. I thought punk was an attitude? Someone has probably done a Venn diagram that shows overlapping musical styles and with bands as data points within the wider circles. Ok, I don't know why chicks thought that was great then. And was most of Crue's and Poison's audience women? I doubt it. It must have been invented purely for shock value or because they reaaaally wanted to wear high heels and make up. Not judging. In fact I think it's clever if an artist can get their preferences mainstreamed. Like Rob Halford importing a homoerotic wardrobe into metal. Genius. What do studs do anyway? I mean, as a fashion accessory, other than being useful in a fight. With corpepaint I guess they just wanted to dress up like Kiss. But, agree it doesn't have to distract from enjoyment of the music. Although, I can't actually remember the last time I saw a band live that was wearing corpsepaint. I noticed there was a black metal band playing locally soon, but because I didn't know them and they were wearing corpsepaint in the poster, that was an easy pass.
  6. It's not even Friday! Sovereign (remastered) by Neurosis I saw a random Facebook post by Neurosis that they are making a different album each week pay what you want on Bandcamp. I have most of their albums on CD, including this one, but worth getting again for my bandcamp collection so it is easier to play from my phone. Saurian Apocalypse by Karl Sanders Should be some good atmo background music for WFH. I have Karl doing leads on one of my projects so it kind of makes sense to support it. Our Mother Electricity by All Them Witches Realised I didn't have either album that preceded Dying Surfer, so got both of them. I like it better than the most recent stuff. Summoning The Slayer by Temple Of Void It was in my wishlist, so a bit of an impulse buy. Sounds much less deathy than the album I had from a few years ago.
  7. I love speculative stuff like that. Also how the author more or less states "I don't believe it, but fun to think about." In general, while I mostly share the philosophical "oh well, if we destroy our civilisation the Earth and life on it will still be here for quite a bit longer" we exist, as any animal, to pass on our genetic material and information to the next generation; but that higher purpose will come to a grinding halt if it all falls apart. Lame.
  8. ...and then we can have a related debate about what "heavy" means. I'd go out on a limb and say that Smells Like Teen Spirit is a "heavy" song, having been caught in a mosh at university when some cover band was playing it. But I guess people jump up and down to hard house music too. Those early grunge guys didn't look down on the music so much as the perceived heavy metal image. The homoerotic leather and studs look or, at the extreme end, lipstick and puffy hair. I still scratch my head as to how Motley Crue and Poison became a thing. But, I do remember getting flak from my house mate in my first flat in 1992 for wearing an Ozzy Osbourne t-shirt and being a heavy metal fan. Because he was a DJ on the student radio station that was 100% "alternative" music during the day (except it did have specialty shows - a metal show where I first heard Sabbat and Fear Factory). This was the most popular song in town when I started university:
  9. I realise I missed a lot of interim chatter. I tend to log out on a Friday afternoon and not check back until Monday morning. It seems like an unusually busy weekend on the board! As to "metal adjacent" the above definition is more or less what I had in mind. In Ghost's case Tobias Forge used to play in death metal bands before intentionally selling out to do something that could have wider appeal. Grunge itself is probably "metal adjacent." In a recent interview Stone Gossard suggests that grunge was developed partly because they couldn't play instruments as well as their metal/hard rock heroes. I think he's being self-deprecating though. Grunge musicians (e.g. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and even Pearl Jam) were just as musically competent as contemporary heavy metal at the time. https://blabbermouth.net/news/did-grunge-kill-1980s-heavy-metal-pearl-jams-stone-gossard-weighs-in However, forgetting grunge for a minute, U2 and Dire Straits or something in that realm are rock bands that are definitely not metal. In earlier posts I just wondered if there were any new acts in that same ballpark. Wondered, but then realised I don't actually care. Except to ponder that even a mainstream rock band might pique the interest of a young kid who is hearing guitar music for the first time. That can evolve to other things. I guess my introduction to rock proper was Kiss at about age six (1980). Later I liked Twisted Sister (1984) but then went backwards with an interest in Dire Straits (1985). Yet, I didn't like the non-rock side of Dire Straits at all (was it just pop with bad vocals?). It was always going to lead back to metal via brief dalliance with Bon Jovi and Def Leppard (1987). In 1988 I went all in with Maiden, Priest (and AC/DC on the side). Alice in Hell came out in 1989 which steered me more toward extreme metal. Jumping straight to extreme metal probably just suggests you are a poser, and it will be short lived. There were some guys in high school that drove round thinking they were cool listening to Deicide cranked at the traffic lights (1990). I highly doubt they still listen to it now, or were compelled to explore more bands in the years since. Someone who actually cares about their music as a fundamental building block of who they are, probably came to things more gradually, because they took the time to get immersed and slowly drown in it. Those boys at the traffic lights in 1990 are the equivalent of a Kardashian wearing a Cannibal Corpse T-Shirt in an Instagram post. It is for shock value and has no appreciation of the art form.
  10. Opeth and Mastodon have streamlined their sounds, but they very definitely started as metal bands. The issue here is new rock music that has little or no connection to metal. The multi-instrumentalist guy is back in the band! So, things may look up for the next album. I saw them on the Dying Surfer tour (or it could have been one after) when that guy was still there and it made such a difference. The second time I saw them they were a three piece opening for Ghost (I shit you not) and it was pretty weak. It was a massive empty stage, whereas those guys work best in a basement bar where you're in their face sweating along with them. Charles Michael Parks Jr. is dreamy. Scooby Doom is still metal adjacent though. Having been to a few Ghost gigs, the T-Shirts in the line to get in are still all manner of trad, death, black metal etc. And then there are the late comer rock families. At the last gig I saw (mentioned above All Them Witches opening) there was an Indian family in front of us with their ten year old kid. There was something profoundly hilarious about a ten year old well dressed Indian boy yelling "hail Satan!" But, Ghost is lame now. I won't be seeing them again. I don't regret it, Meliora is still a perfectly paced and constructed album, but the song writing is becoming too homogenous. However, Ghost is a gateway drug, so if you want to see more extreme forms of metal continue, its fine for projects like that to be successful. That ten year old kid might get curious and start mining the good stuff. We all have to start somewhere. For me it was Twisted Sister. The other day my wife played Toto "Africa" in the car and it dawned on me that the vocal layering was exactly like Ghost. I guess that was Tobias' plan all along, to do a Satanic Toto.
  11. My relationship with Ozzy is a little like Schrödinger's cat. I simultaneously consider him an essential component/enigmatic muse in the history of heavy metal and an embarrassing train wreck both as a performer and in terms of off stage antics. I have watched many eras of Ozzy and seen him live a couple of times, but never did I think "wow that is a great performer." In most instances he looks like a lost child stumbling around, unsure why he is on stage with musicians that far outclass his own abilities. Musical abilities that are practically non-existent. He sang for Black Sabbath because his dad bought him a PA. The bass player wrote the lyrics and the guitarist wrote the riffs that changed the world. Ozzy was in the room when some of the greatest music ever to grace humanity was composed. And then sang along exactly following the guitar line. If you can call it singing. But yet. He is Ozzy and deserves every success that found its way to him.
  12. That would be my perception too, but is it definitely true that there is no new "rock" music? For the old guys stuck in the past, sure they are not interested. Same as an Iron Maiden or Metallica fan that has never listened to another band, but is there no new generation of non-metal rock at all? I know there is a band called Greta Van Fleet which everyone says sounds like Led Zeppelin, so I am assuming it is guitar based, and playing big gigs. I suppose it is a moot point because I don't really care. Just interesting because back in high school everyone was into U2 except me it seemed. And the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Goddamn I hated those guys. Once upon a time you recommended All Them Witches. They were great and I still get their new albums, seen them live a few times. Although, the latest stuff is just not as good ... Holy shit, I just checked and they are playing London on 3 October. This is happening a lot lately; I have no reliable alert system to find out about gigs. EDIT: but its sold out
  13. Not listened to it for 20 years because I only had it on cassette, but I think it was pretty good at the time. That was the last album before Ozzy retired. I wonder whatever happened to that guy.
  14. Worth noting that Ripping Corpse is a free download on bandcamp: https://rippingcorpse.bandcamp.com/album/dreaming-with-the-dead A hidden gem. The bandcamp blurb is pretty funny. Your 8 and 9 would probably be my 1 and 2. Along with Human, Arise, Clandestine (how could anyone overlook that!), Twilight of the Goods (I seem to be an outlier, but always loved that album), Testimony of the Ancients, No More Tears (probably), The Black Album (embarrassing now but I probably did listen to it enough at the time to qualify).
  15. I presume there is a whole world out there of garage band type rock music which isn't metal so I'd probably never hear it. Grunge is an extension of that. As you say, if a really stellar band came along it might rise to mainstream consciousness and I could find out about it. But it would have to be Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin level genius (on that level but something completely original) for me to be interested. Was there a typo in your line "and is still getting airplay on commercial radio?" because that kind of answers itself. If a form of music is popular enough and a band can make a living from it, of course they will put in the effort. It might not make any sense to you or me, but people that like soft rock just aren't as worthwhile as you or me. They are empty vessels that will never find true meaning. Like a fat chick that refers to her also fat partner as "hubby," but they are not inherently evil. I truly wonder what proportion of predominantly guitar based music is still around which isn't metal. There must be some. Pop and Hip hop presumably makes up most of what "normies" listen to, but there surely is still a market for rock bands, like Oasis or U2 or something. Those guys were huge and there is still a viable if ageing population who grew up with it. Just like I will cling to metal until my dying day there must be a section of humanity who just love pussy guitar music or, at best, never dared try anything heavier than AC/DC.
  16. Not surprised. For someone who has always been highly involved in his own production, Jamie still makes terrible choices. The last album was good though (production-wise, musically it is awesome and my favourite of theirs). At least the drums are not distracting. It is such a waste when the drum sound distract from the music. The other day I put on Carcass - Torn Arteries and never fail to burst out laughing with the intro drum solo. It is just embarrassing, and why I would never hire Andy Sneap to mix a record. Andy Sneap who wrote the greatest British thrash album of all time - so I love the guy - but if you can't get Carcass to sound good this far into your mixing career, you should go back to writing killer thrash records. Yeah, I reckoned this was a thought provoking topic, although only a variation on well trodden ground. The desert island scenario is where you find where you stand. I'd try my darndest to get as much variety in there as possible, old and some new. No point just choosing 10 albums of each "favourite legacy band." Actually 40 is quite a lot so I don't reckon I would regret too much whatever I chose.
  17. It is definitely possible in theory, but probably not possible in practice. For me, that is obvious enough. Absolutely correct that any legacy band you can name did its best work in the first five albums (for Sabbath it was the sixth, for AC/DC I think technically the best album is Back in Black even if I would then rate every Bon Scott album straight after it, bar the Australian debut) but those albums are just better than anything a newer band can produce. And any given newer band would agree*. Everyone is chasing the dragon of trying to better what was produced in the 70s for just general musical awesomeness, the 80s for thrash, the 90s for death metal. Interestingly, that is why metal is still so great. It is being pushed in new directions and awesome music is being produced all the time....but it has not topped the classics. Is this nostalgia talking? Most definitely, but there is some objectivity to it. I can allow myself to think a more modern band could be the greatest musical entity that ever existed, but so far it has not happened. Inter Arma ticks most of the boxes for me ...except the really big box of extended album length (oh the irony of me singling this band out when they consistently commit the cardinal sin of making albums too long!), but are they objectively better than AC/DC, Judas Priest or Queen**? Nope. * "My band is better than Black Sabbath. Every night I blow Tony Iommi off the stage and consign his ridiculous stubby fingers to history with my more awesome riffs" - said no one. Ever. ** Career missteps and latter waning of Priest and Queen taken achingly into consideration. They have odd production choices on record but it works for me. I only saw Ulcerate once live and it wasn't that good because the drums were too type-writer sounding. Opening band's curse (on a Nile tour). I suspect it would be better now because they are that much more seasoned. The newer Ulcerate stuff has plenty of dynamics which is why Inter Arma is so good live. Lots of variety, blast beats and breathing space.
  18. It's Friday! Not an official Bandcamp Friday, but the end of the week seems to prompt me to make some purchases. The Suns of Perdition - Chapter III: The Astral Drain by PANZERFAUST Despite initial impression, by the time I got to the end, I am not so sure it is that much more mellow than parts I and II. It should hold up. Garbers Days Revisited by Inter Arma It is a big call, but I wonder if Inter Arma isn't my favourite band (I mean, of current crop of active bands, excluding legacy/nostalgia acts obviously). There is a sweaty, "this is what a band sounds like playing in a room" realism to them. A rare balance of catchiness, doominess, cavernousness, sprawling yet purposeful. Not sure when the next proper album will be, so have to be content with a covers album. Purple rain made me smile. It sounded like a drunken rant but I think that was the point. From the Fathomless Deep by Behold! The Monolith Just discovered the other day and not a million miles from hitting same selling points as Inter Arma.
  19. The vibe is very similar to the other ones, but yes mellower overall. I definitely like the atmosphere but have not been grabbed quite like when I first heard the second one.
  20. 1. Defenders of the Faith 2. Back in Black 3. Reign in Blood 4. Ride the Lightning 5. So Far So Good....So What! 6. Operation: Mindcrime 7. A Kind of Magic 8. History of a Time to Come 9. Alice in Hell 10. Beneath the Remains What was this list for again?
  21. Agree. Dio solo stuff has always lacked some x factor for me even if Holy Diver is a solid record. My most favouritist gig I ever went to was Heaven & Hell in 2007 and that little guy and Iommi's riffs just destroyed the building, but his solo band just didn't have the calibre that Ozzy, for example, managed despite Dio being a much better singer. Holy Diver is no Diary of a Madman as definitive works go. I'd never buy a remix box set, although I am a bit curious what remixing an 80s classic actually sounds like. There are quite a few albums that could benefit from throwing out the terrible 80s metal drum sound.
  22. Behold! The Monolith - From the Fathomless Deep https://ripplemusic.bandcamp.com/album/from-the-fathomless-deep The name sounded vaguely familiar when I came across it this morning on the Ripple Effect blog. Definitely pick up when next doing a bandcamp wishlist clearout.
  23. Cheers bro. I can imagine it playing havoc with asthma. Hope you are on the mend. No, that is 40 Celsius (40 F would be like almost freezing). I think most of Europe is on fire, but I don't really watch the news.
  24. So, I finally got my covid cherry popped. Must have had it most of last week but only tested on Saturday because my wife was positive. I suspect I got it at the Gatecreeper gig last Sunday - even though I tried to keep my distance and did not lick anyone that night. Was never more than a bit of a sore throat which is exactly the same symptom as when I get any cold. I did have a really bad nights' sleep last Tuesday which would have been down to my body wondering what the fuck was going on. But I never felt ill, just tired. Probably good timing to get it out of the way because they are predicting 40 degrees in the UK this week. A lot of people are going to die.
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