odinnsman

awesome taste. not sure i could listen to a band called genitals though.

I thought a lot of tracks on the last 2 Sabbath albums with ozzy and Dio seemed to have riffs taken from older Zakk Wylde songs. Seems the inspired has become the inspiration. One example here.

IMO Ozzy is underrated by people who say he's just a buffoon who got lucky by landing in good bands. I know he didn't write much of the music and lyrics on his classic albums, but he added a ton of character and atmosphere to them. Even with it's massive musical influence I can't imagine early Sabbath would have been as well loved without his cheeky personality all over the music. R Rhoads would have changed rock whoever he ended up with but Ozzy's persona made magic with his music. And I think just the person he is inspired a lot of the music that was made around him, after reading Iommi's book he said a lot of Geezers lyrics were started off after hearing ad libs sung by Ozzy. That's not to say he's not a complete buffoon with all his other flaws and has made some pretty bland music/celebrity life for the past 20 years.

I don't think these are controversial, just not often said, but I always thought Iron Maiden's guitars sounded like folk fiddle music, Riverdance kind of thing, especially on tracks like The Trooper. I also think jazz sax players like Coltrane are not given enough credit for their influence on rock, his 60s Love Supreme record has a big Slash/Jimmy Page epic hard rock ballad solo feel.

I sometimes think since grunge and nu-metal got big that metal fans are too quick at hearing a band play a slow, detuned riff and calling it a sellout. IE, if a metal band in the 80s tried a song with a slow, detuned Sabbath ish riff, it was just a different style and no-one minded, but now metal fans are over dilligent at making sure their favourite bands only play fast, sharp thrash or it is a sell out.

I'm really enjoying Skalmold's Born Loka record at the mo. It is pretty much Viking folk metal, there are some very obvious nods to bands like Slayer, Opeth, Finntroll (who I only know 1 song by but I hear echoes of it here) , Amon Amarth, but they make it all their own, very distinct atmosphere. The vocalist sounds like some mad Norse holy man shouting incantations over a battle which pretty much makes the album. Definately more dark and disturbing than jolly.

not 100 percent sure what a breakdown is either. Is the die die part of Creeping Death a breakdown? also I always thought thrash was a mix of punk and metal anyway, I mean the punkiest thrash, like 80s Anthrax. I can't tell much of a difference between that and Hatebreed, unless that would be considered core if it came out today. I'm really out of the loop on music.

the soft parts on Sabbaths 13 remind me strongly of Blur, like it's the same psychedelic influence in both.

Here's something weird I just rememberd. I got a proper bought copy of And Justice For All on cassette tape in the 90s, and on the end of side 1 after One finished, there was 5mins of opera and something that sounded like and instrumental Atomic by Blondie. Still have no idea whether it was meant to be there.

finding it hard to realise what metal-core is. If it means Hatebreed I'm all for it, if it means soft metal with emo/pop-rock vocals , not so.

lol-ed so hard at his statement from jail that today's metal fan has "the tattoos and piercings of the negro and the drink and drug habits of the homosexual".

doubly guilty attempted seducer of said fangirls here *shame*

Can't stand bands like them, a few years ago I worked with 2 girls who were into those bands and played them often, and I could not get into it. It really bothers me how they sound kind of like 80s metal with the power taken away over pop vocals. I'm not condemning them, I can hear that they can play their instruments and the singer is obviously good at singing emotional songs for teenagers, but I can't stand the sound personally. It also bothers me cause, when I was a kid in the 90s, I was always getting crap from Korn fans and being made fun of for liking classic metal, and now guitar solos and Maiden type influences are cool. Just shows how fickle the mainstream is. Not that I respect any of the emo-metal bands for having Maiden influences, they play such a neutered form of them.

Never heard his stuff, but if he likes the ride the lightning album he can't be that bad a guy.

Among teenage girls there will always be the type who want girly looking boys in make up, tight clothes, and hinting to them that they are bisexual. When I was a teen in the 90s it was Placebo/ Manic St Preachers fans.

I was in a band man.... Around 10 years ago I played bass with some guys and they made me their bassist. At the time I was 20 and they were a couple of years younger, 16, 17. Playing basic 90s style Pantera/Machinehead stuff. I was their official bass player and recorded with them, though I never played live with them. But because of my personal stuff like work getting too much, I had to leave. I also felt a bit too down and socially phobic to be in a band at the time. Anyway, now, 10 years later , I am 30 and they are 26/27. They changed to metal-core/screamo type music (a genre I have no knowledge of or interest in) and have got kind of big. They are not a famous name but, they have shared a stage with famous bands and played the small stage at a Download festival. Also, when I go back to my hometown to visit Mum and Dad I see kids wearing their T-Shirts, as they have a big cult following there. They also have worked with big emo producers and have real albums and expensive videos. I just feel so old and uncool man. I don't know the bands they play with at all. And they have such a strong bond/solidarity, wearing the same wristbands all the time. Ah man, I couldn't have had it. I'm too shy. Hopefully I'll improve my confidence and get to join a band more suited to me now. Some Battle Beast Grand Magus type shit man.

Sabbaths first 3 albums, made me feel like metal was not just a music form but a dark world to enter and explore, just the groove of the music and the dark atmosphere it creates, Monster Magnet's Powertrip, and Maiden's Killers, both made me see hard rock as a kind of state of mind, being laid back, inner strenth, not letting things get you down, going for what you want, not giving a crap about stuff that don't matter. Master of Puppets, for giving me such a rush and being so huge and epic, made me want to make my life as epic and adventurous as the album was. Napalm Death Greed Killing album, making me want to explore extreme metal after always dismissing it for being too noisy before.

Maybe you could prove him wrong about metal with your character. My brother is gay and my parents used to be anti gay Christians, but he's so successful and friendly, and treats them much better and takes care of them more than any of us other siblings, that he has bought them round to deciding, it's ok to be because he is.

There's a 19 yr old guy I know here in my hometown, he has autism and learning disabilities, he's a nice guy but has an immature and naïve character due to his difficulties. He's a big/obsessive fan of thrash metal. They just did a reality tv show here about getting dates for people with disabilities, and featured this guy on one episode, they set up a date between him and another local girl with learning disability. Anyway, the big issue his mother had about why he wasn't able to relate to women was because his autism made his mind so focused on metal, and "no girls like that music" so it stopped him being able to date. And the main thing the therapists worked with him on before the date was being able to stop always thinking about metal and accept a pop fan because that is what all women like, according to them. So the big victory of the show was that he was on the date, he asked her what music she was into, she answered that she was a big Peter Andre fan, and instead of screwing his face in disgust (his previous reaction to mention of pop) he said "uh, that's ok". The weird thing was the possibility of finding him a girl who liked metal was never even mentioned.

Always thought Boltthrowers No Guts No Glory sounded like Prodigy's Funky Sh*t.

I used to think that they were immature burning churches down, but since I read more about the Norse lands and how Christianity was imposed on them, I could see their point.

I've got their Wrath album and I enjoyed it. There was only one track that sounded Groove to me, the rest just sounds like a tribute to thrash and 80s metal. Whether that record was a departure for them I have no idea as it's all I've heard.

I remember at the time thinking their debut was the most chaotic, noisy record I had heard. (Well, I hadn't heard much then.) But now, with all the time gone and the shock factor worn off, it sounds a lot more ordered and logical. Less chaotic and random as it seemed then.