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Yes there are numerous sections of the forum. Not many of them see much action to be perfectly honest even the more popular subgenres don't see much traffic. Unless Issues (who I am entirely unfamiliar with) are dramatically different from every other nu-metal band ever something tells me we could be in for quite the discussion here. In my experience Nu-Metal bands tend to focus principally on the aspects of their sound that are NOT metal. In the case of korn it's their hip-hop stylings with pop song structures. Any metal elements are pushed far into the background and over-simplified at the same time. The other genres mentioned above fall into this same trap in a different manner. They borrow directly from melodic death metal but again water down the product and incorporate mainly pop structures and choruses. There are some Metalcore bands which are a legitimate fusion of Metal and Hardcore but these are not metal either as the Hardcore elements tend to feature more prominently. There's a lengthy discussion of this in another thread so there's really no more that needs saying here.

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Well I don't see why you have to be like that ... metal is metal, no matter what type ... if you can't accept people that like different types of metal (as this forum is a metal forum including various genres), okay I get your point that it may not get traffic, but just because I listen to a different genre to you that you don't approve of doesn't mean its not metal and isn't good. But I agree, lets not discuss it on this thread for any longer.

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You assume because I make a distinction here it means I'm not willing to accept people will like different kinds of music. That, I'm afraid, is entirely untrue. Nowhere did I say that you shouldn't listen to those bands, you like them and that's fine, what I said was you won't find many here with a similar taste. I also made the point that for a band to be metal that must be the basis of their sound not merely an influence upon it.

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Brilliant ... but saying that' date=' there are various types of metal and there is a section for most of them on this forum so yeah, Issues comes partly under Nu-Metal which is a genre that is on this forum, so it is metal.[/quote'] There are also threads for jazz, classical, blues, and electronic music on this site, does that make them metal genres? Of course not, even when acts in said genres may have been inspired by metal. Being metal is just that, being metal, being something else with a metal influence is not the same. I'm not against metal being mixed with other things as the majority or minority of the sound, quite the opposite in fact, I just believe in calling something what it is. Part of the problem is that labels like nu-metal, glam metal, metalcore (when applied to emo bands as opposed to bands that mix metal and hardcore punk as the name implies) are misnomers, as they contain little, if any, metal. More appropriate labels would be rap/rock/hardcore, pop/hard rock, and screamo with melodic death metal influences respectively. Labels can be misleading (power metal often times has little power, progressive metal is often not very progressive, just a rehashing of ideas from acts who were progressive, etc...), so they're not always an accurate representation of the sounds the genre encompasses. But, as Relentless says, nobody here has a problem with you or anyone else listening to whatever you choose to listen to. Those sections are here (much like crust, hardcore punk, ambient, etc...) because often times they can have crossover appeal to metal fans, or be a stepping stone to getting people to listen to metal from other things. The purpose of sites like these is to share music recommendations and related info, have conversations, and expand your musical palette. To that end, I hope you stick around and enjoy your time here. Like anything on the internet though, some thick skin is required as you will never have the exact same opinion as you. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Hi Ryan! I listen to a lot of death metal of different types, black metal, grind, a lot of rock these days, and I enjoy a bunch of bands with hardcore influences, like Converge, At The Drive-In, Isis, Neurosis, Dillinger - it's really all good to me. I can't say I'm familiar with any of the bands you listed, but I'll give anything a chance. As BAN says, thick skin is a good thing. I don't personally get a lot out of discussions about what is or isn't a certain type of metal or not metal or what have you. Your best bet is to check out the recommendations thread and join in some of the general conversations. Hope you enjoy it!

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Hi Ryan! I listen to a lot of death metal of different types' date=' black metal, grind, a lot of rock these days, and I enjoy a bunch of bands with hardcore influences, like Converge, At The Drive-In, Isis, Neurosis, Dillinger - it's really all good to me. I can't say I'm familiar with any of the bands you listed, but I'll give anything a chance. As BAN says, thick skin is a good thing. I don't personally get a lot out of discussions about what is or isn't a certain type of metal or not metal or what have you. Your best bet is to check out the recommendations thread and join in some of the general conversations. Hope you enjoy it![/quote'] At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what something is, because how it sounds to you is the important thing. Knowing the right name can still be useful though, if you go to the hardware store and ask for a shovel, you might be annoyed when they bring you a paintbrush. I like non-metal artists too, like Johnny Cash, Pink Floyd, Swans, Throbbing Gristle, Wolfbrigade, Tom Waits, etc..., so it's not as though I'm an elitist or anything, calling something a name that it is not just annoys me. It's also not as though it's uncommon or even anybody's fault, it's largely a false association by the larger music media that understands little outside of pop music genres which they specialize in covering. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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What a warm welcome. Anyway, Ryan, welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new too, and I think you should stick around because you may actually get some recommendations on bands that will encourage you to branch out your tastes and discover new things. I did within my first few days and I'm so glad I did. Ardent disagreements on genres are part and parcel of the online metal community -- I hope it doesn't discourage you! ~Ghouls

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What a warm welcome. Anyway, Ryan, welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new too, and I think you should stick around because you may actually get some recommendations on bands that will encourage you to branch out your tastes and discover new things. I did within my first few days and I'm so glad I did. Ardent disagreements on genres are part and parcel of the online metal community -- I hope it doesn't discourage you! ~Ghouls
Yeah, I'm no good at being friendly. The only difference IRL is that I usually don't say anything at all. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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