Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars

[crotchpheasant]

hey guys, i need a new hardtail/ string thru guitar for drop b/ drop c. I have a budget of up to £400 ($650). I want to give myself a nice selection to keep my options open. I have already looked at charvel, jackson, esp, ibanez and bc rich. Could you suggest me some more brands that make good fast metal guitars? Preferably with an 'ibanez rg/jackson dinky' shape body. Thanks.

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars It's all a matter of personal preference. I've used both and could care less as to which one I actually owned. You need to play a few first before deciding on whether or not you like one or the other. Again, I'll promote the purchase of a Schecter guitar. They have similar body styles and unlike those you mentioned they don't suck. Jackson's suck at holding lower tunings. Ibanez guitars are soulless but they can maintain lower tunings. They just suck over all however.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars my Deans hold up well under lower tunings, but they'll probably be over your budget if you're after a good one

[crotchpheasant]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars well i've played a few ibanez guitars in my time (i have an rg now in drop b, but the floating trem pisses me off). My friend has a schecter, i'll see if he'll let me try it out. Anyone else have any personal experience with these makes of guitar in a drop tuning? I always see well known band members endorsing ESPs and whatnot, but ive never actually heard an unbiased opinion....

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars I had an ESP and it was alright but I owned it for less than a year before I traded it in for something else. It wasn't bad but it was nothing to write home about either.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars yep I've had two of those middle of the road type guitars, a fender stratocaster (my first guitar actually, thankfully I wasn't the one who bought it) I sold it about six months later and bought a gibson les paul (which I still have but it doesn't see much use), about a year later bought my Dean ML which does see a lot of use seeing as how it's the guitar I fiddle around with different tunings on, and early last year bought my Dean Razorback (yeah it's a Dimebag Darrell signature guitar, yeah I'm a Pantera fan, no the guitar doesn't suck)

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars I had a Dean Z (their version of an Explorer) some years back and it wasn't bad. Surprisingly one of the best guitars I ever had (I was borrowing from our current bassist) was the Adrian Vandenberg signature guitar. It held low tunings surprisingly well and it didn't need micro adjustments like most floating bridge guitars. I wish I had, had the money to buy it because it was a great guitar. I think it was a Peavey model. They make alright guitars. Yes the dime guitar sucks. Cope.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars in this thread at least I'm going into war with no reinforcements, I like my Razorback, it can hold lower tunings reasonably well and it's a hell of a lot lighter then the ML so I don't need to put it down after ten minutes of playing or risk permanent spinal injury, plus it looks and sounds great, clearly we're going to disagre on this though since you have a massive (and puzzling) hatred of everything affiliated with Pantera or any one of it's members and their individual projects (although I do concede hellyeah sucks balls, don't know why Vinnie continues to let them drag him down)

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars My wife has a Les Paul styled Memphis guitar that weighs about 50 lbs. It's about 30-40 years old however and they didn't use composite materials back then. I've stated why I hate pantera and all their affiliates numerous times both here and elsewhere. I'm not getting into it again. Something you may not know about dime, he was friends with Dean Zalinski, the founder of Dean. He had a tattoo on his bicep that said "Dean, guitars from hell". Ironic because shortly after pantera made it big he was endorsed by Washburn and used nothing but Washburn until pantera folded. I always found that odd the way he jumped ship like that. That's why they came out with all the variations of dime guitars when he returned to Dean.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars you seem to know a lot about a guitarist you despise, but yes that is ironic

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars It was something that I was told by a rabid told me. You learn a lot about guitars when you work for an instrument retailer.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars in my experience the people working at instrument retailers are either extremely helpful and knowledgeable, providing good advice on what best suits what they perceive as my needs in a guitar or on a smaller scale a set of strings (I use a lighter gauge then most people I know) these are the minority, or absolutely clueless about instruments, musical styles, strings etc but use arrogance to compensate for their stupidity, sadly the latter make up the majority of my experiences, hell the last time I needed new strings the first guy I spoke to had no idea what I was talking about and called down the store manager TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY EIGHT GAUGE STRINGS, fortunately the manager actually knew what she was on about AND gave me a free guitar pick as well, guess it was a sorry the staff here are fuckwits deal, the time before that the attendant gave me a set of seven strings, ironically now I'm looking at buying a seven string so those will be useful in the future when I buy a set

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars Any guitar can go with any style. Same goes for amps, pedals, strings, etc... it all boils down to either you like something or you don't. Or you follow the scene's trends or you don't.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars true but when you go in and say "i play mostly thrash" and they say "is that a new sort of music or something?" it's more then a little annoying

[NTNR]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars That's life however.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: Suggestions for hardtail/ string thru guitars

Any guitar can go with any style. Same goes for amps' date=' pedals, strings, etc... it all boils down to either you like something or you don't. Or you follow the scene's trends or you don't.[/quote'] This is true, it really comes down more to a combination of factors than any one item, as many great guitar tones have been achieved with subpar and/or unpopular equipment.

[shredzworth]

Can't go wrong with Schecter or ESP. I currently have a schecter c-1 custom in D standard. THE best sounding guitar I've ever played. I also have a ESP EC-1000 which is amazing as well. Both are out of your price range but even the lower end schecter and ESPs I've played sound great. Just find something with hot pick-ups and a good sustainable wood like alder or mahogany. Also check out AGILE for good cheaper metal guitars.

[BlutAusNerd]

I was playing on a C-1 Elite from Schecter before I got my Gibson Les Paul Trad Pro. It was a nice guitar, with good feel and tone, but it simply doesn't compare to my Gibson. The tone on it is HUGE, the feel is excellent, it's heavy and substantial while holding it, and just feels good on every level.

[NTNR]

I was playing on a C-1 Elite from Schecter before I got my Gibson Les Paul Trad Pro. It was a nice guitar' date=' with good feel and tone, but it simply doesn't compare to my Gibson. The tone on it is HUGE, the feel is excellent, it's heavy and substantial while holding it, and just feels good on every level.[/quote'] It is a good guitar, but I really need to get new pickups in it. That would make a world of difference. The Gibson you have is sexy however. They have a well earned legacy of sound.