Mindfucked

Yeah, it seems this way on stage at least, stage gimmicks are not my biggest interest. But I wouldn't say they're just for the sake of dressing up, there is some kind of meaning in it being portrayed that corresponds to the music. If you're not into the music initially, the imagery won't make any sense. Another guy in drag, that's all it will look. I see what he's doing, but it's not a necessity for me. I like it better when he wears less makeup as well as his paintings more to his stage work and videos. They carry more distinction, value and vibrance. They're not for everyone though. I think the history of his success and reviews may beg to differ on his songwriting abilities. There's only three covers he did that I like (Sweet Dreams, Rock n' Roll Nigger and Personal Jesus). He's a very good lyricist, but it's not meant to be sung with more complex music and greater band dynamics. Sometimes something simple and straight forward is all a listener needs for a certain moment. Whole history of oldies will show this. Not everything needs to be so diversive and complex to be good. He's really the only one in his category I like. Lyrics are usually a secondary for me and I can't understand most of the other bands. Fortunately the music will compensate.

Moonsorrow-Aurinko Ja Kuu

Dying Fetus-Subjected to a Beating

They were engaged, never married.

I can agree, music is all I really go to shows for as well. I've only seen him live once, but it wasn't as wild as previous shows he's done. Never cared for any of that stage stuff he does, but that's just how he likes to express himself. Not like he's the first artist that likes to have musical visionaries about their prospectives. There's nothing wrong with image, some people like an all round art show with lots to see and hear, but it's not for everyone. That's the interesting thing about art, one person's masterpiece is another's disasterpiece.

I actually favor him quite a bit. His most metal-ish albums were probably Antichrist and Holy Wood and some of his first two albums. Whatever kind of rock he is, I don't think he trying to be under one label anyway. It's more or less a love it or like it kind of a style. Kinda understandable why a lot of metal listeners aren't interested, possibly too simple and commercial. Fair enough. His last album was one of my favorites, but it's probably not for the casual listener. Met him last year and he's a cool guy that will crack you the hell up. But if he can still creep out even metalheads, he must be doing something right.

Pentagram-Relentless

Death-Scream Bloody Gore Death-Leprosy Nile-Those Whom the Gods Detest Atheist-Piece of Time Gorguts-From Wisdom to Hate Meshuggah (if they are)-Catch 33 Fleshgod Apocalypse-Oracle

Um, wasn't suggesting that I was the one feeling cheated. If not the band, then it's the publisher or the engineers or someone else that was involved with the record or other listeners that may not be satisfied. Still piracy will have its justifications like it or not and when everything is not available for purchase, or a hassle to download, that's when people will get more tempted. If artists are going to agree to share their work, then they have to accept the fact that they may not be getting back all that they put into it. The bands will still get their money and support somehow if it's truly worth it. Not saying that I like what the business has become, but it is what it is.

So why was it taken seriously? If it appears to be nonsense then it probably is.

It's a possibility, from whence did you think any of this was serious? But if you're not seeing signs of Satan in you every day life, there might be a sort of dimness going on.

Well if you ever encounter these bands in person, you can always cut them a check for the appropriate amount or mail it to them if you feel they deserve more. Somewhere, someone is always going to feel cheated though.

Interesting, not sure if I'm interested in seeing it though. Those class carriers aren't that much more distinctive than the Nimitz class.

Guess you'll have to wait until you bite the dust. Meanwhile the spirit of these parties will continue to haunt your life throughout.

Are they? I've been inside the Enterprise. Those older class carriers will be worth the salvation.

I can understand all the hard effort that goes into the work. Not from personal experience, but my mom's boyfriend had a contract with a major label (Capitol) and has toured around with major bands like Buckcherry, Five Finger Death Punch and the Deftones. He's was a drummer for the band Ill Nino for a short while so he's always informing us the exhaust and expense that goes with it all. Anyway, you're right. There's no reason why hard work doesn't deserve its payment. But I guess some can't avoid the temptation when they have something dangled in front of them for nothing if they're struggling themselves. 'Support' has it different perceptions though. What if someone goes to every concert of a certain band that comes by, keeps up with their news and history and buys enough merchandise to represent and expose them to new listeners? Yet they must sit around in guilt because they didn't actually purchase that one album that introduced them to the band. I don't know, support for me tends to go harder than just in the form of dollars and cents, but not everyone will see it on a sentimental level, because of course 'sentimental love' doesn't pay the bills. I preferred the hard copies myself until I joined the navy, now all I can have are crappy compressed MP3's, saves a lot of room though. Sames goes for books.I have plenty of vinyl and CD's that I'd like to add to, but many of them were bought secondhand, at least the artist got their share from one of the purchases. Vinyl gets expensive to buy brand new, but hats off to those that can afford it. Again, if anything, the internet probably has strengthened the globalization of metal, at least letting other know what exists out there however legal their acquisitions are thanks to sites like YouTube. But if it's available for purchase, great, go buy it. The metal world doesn't appear to be dying any more or less despite these free acquisitions, it's just making their voices even louder.

I hear they may, they still have a lot of work to do.

I think in Newport News getting decommissioned.

Nice. We were parked next to the Enterprise for awhile until it was carried off to it's final resting place.

Oh, that's not the same base then. I'm at the Norfolk base, not Oceana.

All over the web people are making simple recordings with software and uploading it to YouTube and other steaming sites. Barely anything requires live instruments anymore. And this is the shit that gets top sales. Yes, if you want quality, it will cost you a bit more. But few people are listening to that now without a fair sampling. No I'm not implying that payment isn't deserved, otherwise I would expect everything to be free, no I wasn't born yesterday.I've attempting the art business enough to know it's too much competition and lots of strenuous work just to get your foot in the door, which is too exhausting for me to mess with. What I download most is what's unavailable for purchase such as bootlegs and albums not available for download. What I mean by 'richer' is that they are probably not living on a cramped dirty ship living off of vending machine food. I pay for what I can and live shows tend to be my most preferred format, but it's got to be worth it first. 'Ignorance in metal' means not many knowing what exists outside of Metallica/Slayer/Avenge Sevenfold ect.

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