@ btbam91, I listened to the songs you posted. I thought Becoming the Archetype had some good stuff going on in the first half of the track - I liked some of the melodies and textural variation. I even liked the high vocals! Unfortunately it was hidden amidst bog-standard melodeath, and the piano thing into the outro sounded like a wasted opportunity to me. The melody/chord progression through there didn't feel "elegiac"... it just sounded like the lullaby stuff my wife puts on to sooth my kid when it's bedtime. The outro was the same - not "triumphant" so much as trite and cheesy. It felt like shameless song-padding for extra length.
BTBAM, I could appreciate from a technical standpoint, but I didn't find too many of the parts compelling. I didn't mind the frenetic arrangement, although I can see how people could call them "confused" - one might be missing the point looking for comprehensible emotional content in there. I could listen to it again and potentially get more out of it. At first blush, it didn't do a lot for me, and I didn't like any of the vocals. It would take a lot of work for me to get into them.
Overall I like the structural ambition on display in both bands, even if the nuts and bolts didn't appeal to me.