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33 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

I haven't been paying attention. Who the fuck is Carlos and why does he matter?

He used to be this architect dude from NSW on old Metal Fi.

45 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

My head that banged at metal gigs with Carlos and will do so again disagrees.

I've known non metal people who came to gigs and headbanged despite not listening to anything heavier than Queens of the Stone Age and Foo Fighters.

Carlos always displayed so much more passion for indie and alternative rock than he did for anything metal.  He even played in indie rock bands.

His responses to metal was usually one liners  ("this is good") whereas any time he talked indie/alt rock it was lengthy passionate paragraphs and occasionally essays

10 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

Carlos is wrong.  

Thing is I don't think Carlos liked metal.  He was an indie rock guy that pretended to be into metal.  He was a latte leftie ie middle/rich guy pretending to be left wing.

I miss him but he did piss me off.

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 South of Heaven had some odd vocal choices which I presume were an effort to try something melodic but they came off a bit flat. Spill the Blood is a great song (those drums....creaming jesus) but it was weird in the vocal department. It always seemed to me that Seasons was getting the vocal drone thing to be more palatable.

I found the vocals in Spill The Blood off putting at times.  They're disjointed and sound atonal in context of the song.  I love rest of South of Heaven.

3 hours ago, Nasty_Cabbage said:

 

If you take the two different versions of Nevermore's Enemies of Reality, for instance, I think Andy Sneap's remaster pretty much exposes a ton of problems with the original. Then again, I consider Sneap to be metal nobility at this juncture. I still have yet to find any live album that sounds even remotely as good as Obituary's 'Dead'. I still listen to it to this day and you can almost smell the blood and sweat from the crowd, and the music itself is absolutely pristine sounding.

I prefer the original of Enemies of Reality.  Sneap's remaster didn't ad anything to it.

As for Sneap and metal nobility, his problem is he essentially applies the same sound to every band he produces.  He is very good at what he does but he doesn't vary it.  

I also condemn Andy Sneap for paving the way for modern Nuclear Blast/Century Media style overproduction.  He was never as bad as what these two labels do now but he was a pioneer for that type of production.

Oh and irony, NP Kreator - Enemy of God  produced and mixed by one Andy Sneap.😁

14 hours ago, Nasty_Cabbage said:

That's the 'good intentions' part of the equation. Unfortunately that's also what leads to the over-correction and highly inflammatory tone of rhetoric surrounding anything where this sort of issue is brought up.

Totally agree with  your post but thought this bit was good.

Metal is still art and art should not be something that needs to be corrected via affirmative action or whatever other modern solution.  If most women musicians don't want to play metal, then so be it.  Women should not be forced to get into metal.

Art should be an organic process driven by human creativity, not driven by committees and rules.

And I say that as a bureaucrat who thinks most human endeavours need limitations placed on them.

Women complaining they have to work "twice as hard to get recognition in metal."

And they now have special awards for women in heavy music.

https://wallofsoundau.com/2023/09/28/heavy-metal-reigns-at-the-australian-women-in-music-awards-conference-2023/?fbclid=IwAR3yq4T6pP60LhGh4ohsu6NNr7HCd3q5Z1gXOrs57Su5EJ4KgA6pz3PI9vo

This is fucking ridiculous.  

No women don't have to work twice as hard as men.  If your music sucks or is derivative it makes no difference if you have a dick or a pussy or whatever.

And in this day and age of the internet and market fragmentation, being in a quality band doesn't mean you will get any recognition regardless of gender.

And never before have we had to have awards for women in metal.  Fucking woke bullshit creeping its way into everything.

Gender or race or religion or whatever should not play any role in metal. 

7 hours ago, navybsn said:

Well, got the word today that I got a significant promotion. Moving up to the Deputy Nurse Exec for my healthcare system. I'm not sure what they've done putting a dirty hesher in a position like that, but they're about to find out. Huge step up in responsibility and worst of all, I will now have to wear a suit or sport coat to work every day. Where's our resident fashionista @markm when I need him? Not sure about a step up in pay just yet, but I'm going to need something to stock the closet with something other than Archgoat and Vomitor shirts...

Congratulations.  Next promotion you will get to change uniform/dress code to make Archgoat and Vomitor shirts mandatory!

A great example of how we reward failure and incompetence:

1. We have a junior doctor who has requested additional salary and threatening to leave.

2. She has several complaints against her from other staff including a formal one from a senior doctor who has stated she is incompetent.  

3 She has previously refused to work as requested and has done everything possible to get out of work.  

4. Despite all this they are literally offering her more money to retain her!

1 hour ago, JamesT said:

I genuinely love the discussion, no matter who may disagree with my assessments or tastes!  This forum has been a fantastic discovery for me.  I can certainly understand why a lot of music fans consider some albums to be too long.  Personally, I would prefer as much music for my money as possible.  Give me 12-14 tracks with a run time between 50 minutes and an hour any day over an album that only has 9-10 tracks with a short run time of 38-42 minutes.  

I am definitely a quality over quantity kind of guy.  

I'd even prefer a 15 minute EP with 4 awesome songs over a 30 minute album with those same 4 awesome and 4 filler songs.

But I don't get as much music listening time as everyone else and even when I did have the time I still prefer all killer and no filler. 

Behemoth - Evangelion

On 9/26/2023 at 4:19 AM, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Judas Priest don't have any albums other than possibly Screaming for Vengeance that contain more than maybe 15 - 20 minutes of solid material at most. That means at best 40% of their songs were good on any given album, some albums had less than that....

...No top tier legacy band that I can think of off the top of my head has ever had more filler and just outright dog shit tracks that made their way onto the albums because it was the best crap they could come up with that month, than Judas Fucking Priest....

Could probably make one pretty good double album out of all those classic era albums if you distilled them down to their best tracks

 

I 100% agree with this.  Judas Priest are one of the most inconsistent bands in rock history.  

8 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

 

Again, I observe that ALL OF THESE are closing tracks. The closing track on an album has always been the most important one to nail for me. 

I love the Writ too - superb song.

Had never thought about it but you are absolutely right about closing track being really important.  Very often albums just peter out or end with a non descript filler track.

1 hour ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Took a shot on the new Tomb Mold tonight and I made it through the first three tracks before I gave up. Only major problem I have with it is the too clean tweedly deedly lead guitar work that completely ruins it for me. Same reason I can't listen to technical anything. Not the worst album I've heard lately but 3 tracks is enough I'll never need to hear this again.

You probably stopped listening to it on time.  Overall it gets very meandering at times.

Nile - Annihilation of the Wicked

19 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

 

Does anyone else get that? Y'know, that shiver that can only be borne of sonic perfection.

 

Sometimes but usually during an epic lead break eg solos in Slayer's Seasons In The Abyss

First Rage Against The Machine album is one of my favourite albums of all time.  Truly an album to topple corporations by!

Faith No More definitely had some great moments but weren't really rap metal or funk metal or anything else.  Pick a genre and they probably did it on a song!   

6 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

I agree with the sentiment here, however, if surveys are showing that more than half the country are in fact apolitical then, by extension, half the country are a politically uninformed. The important question to ask isn’t why don’t more Australians care about politics though,rather it’s what reasons do people have to care? These days, our major political parties are so similar that half the time it feels like you’re voting based on whether you like the colour, red or blue more.

It's cultural.  

Australian political engagement has often been weak.  People here don't care.  It probably wasn't viewed as polite back when the society was more British than British.  Before that convicts weren't really the voting types and the fact it was essentially a glorified prison nullified any kind of intellectual development.

Since 1970s Australia has been turned into a consumer state.  Consumption is king and nothing ever matters.  In the 1980s the ALP (nominally centre left party) destroyed the political power of the one mob who opposed neoliberalism - the unions.  

Compulsory voting has also dumbed politics right down as voting messages are made to appeal to the apolitical who don't care who runs the place.

Australians also shun any kind of philosophy and often pride themselves on being stupid and uneducated especially among workings classes.  Education was often viewed with suspicion in the past.

And now that education has developed some sort of meaning (ie needed for employment), it has become a means to a practical end - a ticket that allows you to do a job.  There's no intellectual culture here.

Interestingly enough at the Maths Relay my daughter attended yesterday, one of the top 3 teams was primarily immigrant (all others were mainly white).  The principal from my school acknowledged how immigrants do better at education because Australians don't care for it.

But an educated public is necessary to be a politically active public. 

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As far as referendum, I am voting no for a whole plethora of reasons.  Being informed I was opposed to the idea of the Voice to Parliament when it was announced as a goal in the Uluru Statement from the Heart back in 2017.  Back then some radical Aboriginals even wanted it to be a third chamber of Parliament (toned down since). 

And with what details were announced, it made me more opposed to it.

22 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

One man's "politically uninformed" is another man's "informed voting"

It's no different to suggesting everyone who votes No in a few weeks is uniformed about the debate because Yes is the right answer. Or vice versa for those voting Yes. Just because someone doesn't vote the same as me does not make them incorrect or uninformed.

 

IME most Australians are uninformed, don't understand the system and don't give a fuck.

A lot vote on politicians based on either rusted on allegiances ("my Dad voted ALP so I vote ALP) or based on personality or even looks.

A few vote on misguided concepts that have no basis in reality: ( "ALP are party of workers" or "Liberals are better economic managers.")

If we got rid of compulsory voting, we'd probably have been outcomes!

28 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

yes, we are in desperate need of Young blood into Australian politics, and it sure would be great if politicians were held accountable for the election promises, but the only way we can force change onto a broken political system is at the polling booth and with most Australians being very politically and informed, I don’t see that happening any time soon.

 being very politically uninformed I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Basically we have to not vote for the two major political parties.  Vote in the Greens.

And even that might not change things - it took 50 years to get where we are now (election o Gough Whitlam started all of this).

So many things are now intrinsically broken and need to be rebuilt.  There's also so many entrenched power groups that you can't just sweep away in a democratic system.  

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On a happier note, pretty much halfway through my course now. Still going well

Good to hear!

Another example of how our current neoliberal government is out to destroy living standards.

Australia's current immigration rate (which is double government target) coupled with current building industry woes means there was an 80,000 dwelling shortfall.  With current trends this is going to be a 160,000 shortfall this year.

However government is promising to make it even easier to immigrate to Australia.  

Literally they've turned ramping up homelessness into an unofficial government objective.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2023/09/21/alan-kohler-immigration-council-developers-government/

But current Prime Minister and most of parliament have investment properties so jacking up demand and thus increasing property prices and rental incomes is good business for them.

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And then their attitude to environment which is both inadequate and impractical.

But main political donors to our major political parties are fossil fuel miners and extractors.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2023/09/25/renewables-climate-change/

1917's looking better and better.

What a busy weekend - I didn't manage to listen to more than a couple of songs here and there!

Phew...

Cannibal Corpse - Red Before Black

Carcass - Torn Arteries

Metallica - And Justice For All

Napalm Death - Words From The Exit Wound (ironically this album sits better alongside Metallica than any kind of grind or death metal.  Good album though people would say it reeks of selling out!)

Always nice to have some else share your opinion.

An Australian commentator finally states what I have believed for years - Australians are apolitical, averse to change (even when things are going badly) and shun politics.

What's also fascinating is the comment that media is still less nonpartisan than US and largely non-polarised.  Well of course that would be the case when both major political parties have exactly the same socio-economic ideological perspective and people don't care about politics.

One of my political science lecturers commented that Australia is actually an autocracy - highly over governed (you need government approval to do anything) and no real choice in politics.  It's either centre-right neoliberalism or centre-right neoliberalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/24/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-referendum-yes-campaign-struggles

3 hours ago, Arioch said:

Brutal Truth - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses (1992)

 

Brilliant album

50 minutes ago, navybsn said:

Saw the Max & Igorr show last night. Decent show. Both bands were tight and delivered the goods. All of Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions. Encore was Escape to the Void (Schizophrenia), Refuse/Resist & Territory (Chaos AD), and Troops of Doom. So I'm on a Sepultura kick this morning.

Sepultura - Bestial Devastation

Sepultura - Morbid Visions

Sepultura - Beneath The Remains

Sepultura - Arise

Nailbomb - Point Blank

Sounds like a sweet gig.

Also sick as fuck playlist.

Pantera - Reinventing the Steel

Zero Degrees Freedom

(now defunct local melodic death metal act).

Anal Cunt

Pantera - Far Beyond Driven

Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss

Need something to wake me up at work

Iron Maiden - Killers

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

They have even curated the breaks between the songs to be longer than usual to fit the mood and to emphasise the feel of the music. Are any of you savages worthy?

That actually sounds off putting.  

51 minutes ago, AlSymerz said:

Sacred Reich - The American Way

Superb album!

Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies

Saxon - Strong Arm Of The Law

And still listening to my friend's NWOBHM with Death Metal vocals project cause he's asked me to figure out which 8-10 out of 16 songs are the best.

Why was a speed metal thread rolled up into a thrash metal thread?!?  These aren't the same subgenre.