Sabazios

I love f# tuning, but from experience, you really need to have a good guitar with good strings, 64 might be too light, I have a rubbish guitar with an 80 as the sixth and it holds f# well, but overall the guitar just sounds muddy. I have all but given up on the tuning now, maybe I'll revisit one day when I get a 7 or 8 string, not that you need one, but it would help...

On 7/20/2020 at 4:55 PM, Balor said:

Not just lyrics, though.  Sometimes the negativity extends to cover art too sometimes.  I suppose that I am pushing the boundaries of the discussion, though, as my response was at least partly referring to power electronics/noise music as well (stuff like Xenophobic Ejaculation or Zyklon SS).

I think that Drudkh is a highly political band, and their political views seems to come out at least partly through their music itself.  However, I never really considered their music to be negative - it seems too romantic and warm for that.

In terms of metal, I was thinking about stuff along the lines of Konflict (whose music videos consisted of clips of various bombings/gunfights from the Sri Lanakan civil war) or Catasexual Urge Motivation (with pictures of gore/corpses as album art).  Sometime the negativity seems too strong to just dissolve into the music.

That's a fair point, I do really enjoy most black metal, but some bands I have chosen to steer clear of due to band name, album name or cover art, again anything that's too suicidal, or screams of racial hate, I mean you don't often come across bands with nazi symbolism, I guess you have to seek those guys out a bit, but the suicidal stuff is fairly common, bands like ghostbath etc... shame really because the music might be really good... that being said I really liked "10th sublevel of suicide" talk about contradict myself huh? ?

36 minutes ago, Natassja said:

A friend brought this subject up recently and I'll say here what I said to him, if you like the music you like it, should you have to translate all lyrics of a band you enjoy? I personally don't think so. 

I really like noisesters Scarlet, musically fantastic, but lyrics are mainly about suicide, I personally find suicidal concepts less appealing than anything really, but the music is quality.  You have to kinda tread carefully tho, cos you cant really go around saying "I like an NSBM band" and not expect the pc brigade to fall on you like a tonne of bricks...

3 hours ago, Balor said:

I guess it depends on the level of negativity that one is talking about too, though.  I imagine that something like Blasphemy or Mayhem might work out some bad thoughts in a positive way, but I have some doubts on occasion when I listen to stuff that is genuinely anti-social/negative/extreme.  Sometimes it feels more like a meditation in darkness, filth, etc. than a purging of it.

I don't know if you're meaning like lyrically or musically though, I tend not to be interested in lyrics so much, I'm all about the music. For instance I've always been a fan of drudkh, I only found out earlier this year that they're considered NSBM, when I first learned that I thought "well that's fucked then, cant listen to that anymore" but then I thought, the lyrics are in Ukrainian anyway, which I dont speak, fuck it the music is quality, I care not for their ideology. So I guess for me it's the energy of the music that purges away the negativity... does that make sense? Probably not haha

I couldn't see a better place for this subject than here, so here we go... I'd like to point out straight from the off the emphasis on the "some" part of the subject title.

I joined a black metal fb page today, mainly to promote my own music, while scrolling through fb I came across Darkthrone's page, I must say I'm surprised they even have one tbh, I found it highly amusing that Facebook suggested "if you like darkthrone, why not check out Slipknot!" Like fans of darkthrone would a) have not have heard of them and b) would be at all interested in them, they're not exactly compatible bands are they? ?. So I took a screen shot and shared it to the black metal group, with a comment "i think fenriz would vomit if he saw this hahaha" obvs it's an exaggeration, only to be instantly trolled, with a reply that went "I think fenriz would vomit if he realised how cringey bm fans are", the irony of it!!! You mean people who like black metal, who have joined this group to chat with like minded people are cringey because what? Was I slagging off Slipknot? No, not at all I respect them, was I trying to prove how black metal I am by saying they are not worthy to be mentioned anywhere near darkthrone? ? I know some that might argue that's the case, but no, I was merely commenting on how its amusing that fb associated the two, I get it's a simple science with Slipknot being one of the most popular metal bands in the world, that's why its amusing, Darkthrone the self proclaimed "Most Hated Band in the world" ? What irks me though is the fact that SOME metal fans think they are high and mighty and automatically assume that the new guy or girl is a wannabe (who cares even if they are?!?!) It's not very welcoming is it? A part of me is like "meh" what do you expect from a genre of music that in its essence is hateful, but another part of me is like "nah it's this kind of elitism that's a big problem with metal in general, especially in bm.

With that being said I would like to thank everyone that I have spoken to on this forum for being very kind and welcoming, keep doing what you're doing!

Sabazios

On 5/11/2018 at 1:23 AM, Balor said:

Honestly, I have always just liked the aesthetics of dark themes.  Listening to negative music does not make me feel dark, and often feels quite meditative to me (depending on the song/band/genre).

I'm not sure how much I agree with this video.  There seem to be philosophically justifiable positions that are able to posit some objective sources of meaning and purpose.  Furthermore, it goes nowhere to discount the validity of said positions.

Couldn't agree more with this sentiment, I see it as purging the negativity from my life. It allows me to be a kind and polite person in a way, cheesy as that sounds...

Epheles are good, fairly obscure... je suis autrefois is the album that caught my attention...

Sibelius huh? I have heard of him, don't know if heard any of his symphonies though, will check them out!

mp3 for me, I've bought Pantera's whole discog at least 3 times, cos I used to lose them, well one time they were stolen, but yeah. When I was in my late teens, early twenties, I was the guy who carried around a cd folder with 400 cds everywhere I went, no wonder I kept losing them! haha.  I do have "The Number of The Beast" on vinyl somewhere, pretty poor condition though, my dad gave it to me, he bought it in the year I was born...

13 hours ago, Dwimorberg said:

 

Hello everyone! 

Here's some new black metal from Finland! One black metal and one ambient track. 

 

If you're interested, you can find us on Instagram and Facebook.

 

Thank you if you listened!

Tis beautiful man!!! loved it

13 hours ago, Dwimorberg said:

Hello! 

I'm composer and guitarist from Finland. In the overall genre of metal I'm mostly into black metal but of course I've also liked many different subgenres over the years, from thrash to death to melodic death to symphonic stuff etc.. I'm also a huge fan of classical music and some other genres too. Pretty much anything can be good if it's just good, you know?  I've never been a member of this kind of metal community so here I am now. 

Awesome dude, I am exactly the same, black metal first, but also all other types of metal too, what's your favourite classical piece? Mine is Dvorak symphony no.9 in E minor, I used to work at a cd shop many years ago, when the boss was out I'd play metal, one day I was playing Stormblast by Dimmu, Guds Fortapelse has a sample of it at the beginning, so bossman arrived and I took it off immediately, he didn't approve of playing metal in the shop, first thing he puts on when he gets there was Dvorak 9th Symphony, I nearly spat my tea out cos I thought I'd left the Dimmu album in the cd player!!! The whole symphony is super dramatic though which is why I love it so much... 

2 hours ago, Dwimorberg said:

I don't know if I have any favorite bands nowadays but one worth mentioning is Burzum and especially Hvis lyset tar oss and Filosofem albums, also all the Burzum ambients! 

You cant beat Jesus' Tod man, best burzum track! Beholding the daughters of the firmament too!!

On 6/2/2020 at 12:17 AM, JJWO said:

Yeah, for instance, I'm listening to Opeth's Orchid right now... when I first heard it (more than 10 years ago) I didn't really like it... now, I'm really appreciating almost every part of it, so... who knows what will be a good album now and a good album tomorrow...

I wasnt impressed with Emperor when I first heard them 20 years ago and anthems was the album I heard! I now list that as one of my favourite albums, like top 3 probably... and that's difficult for me to say! Often the best releases grow on you

Just discovered ColdWorld, amazing solo project... I've listened to "Autumn Shade" about 20 times in the last 24 hours!!! ?

8 hours ago, Balor said:

Anal Cunt had songs!  I am inclined to agree with you other thoughts, though.

Haha, I mean yeah the tracks on it just gets worse can be considered vaguely songs, that's my fave album by them by the way, but most of their other stuff is literally fuzz and completely random, that was kind of the point tho, the humour!

1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Gotta say I'm deeply opposed to filler, to the point that if I feel like bands are writing throwaway songs or using placeholder parts I'll lose a lot of respect for them. Obviously that's subjective. But if you've got three great songs and seven that don't make the cut, put out a three song EP, you know?

Absolutely, there are definitely loads of bands that just churn out music, with a lot of filler, but maybe sometimes what we consider filler the band feels is fulfilling... sometimes... 

It'll be another month I think, its not all bad I still have my dean baby ml, but it is an awful guitar, really weak sounding, I've managed to compose an entire album with it, but I used it's papery thin sound to the advantage of the project (old skool bm sort of sound).  But yeah I'm really looking forward to having a proper guitar again, it actually isn't even that great a guitar to be fair, a warlock bronze series, but with a hi gain kent Armstrong pick up upgrade... and the body just sounds girthier you know?

She is beautiful father alabaster, I can't wait to get my guitar back from the guitar shop, would you believe it, I put it in for a service, as it needed a lot of work, a week before UK lockdown, I could've cried like a baby when I learned that it'd be months until I got it back, mind you it was unusable anyway.  The guy at the shop was confident they could get it "good as new" though... 

to be completely honest, nearly all of my favourite bands have maybe 2 or 3 tracks on each album that I actually listen to, godlike songs I guess and the rest, I know appeal to other people, but to me is filler and that's absolutely fine with me, after all I strongly believe that the best bands write music for themselves first and foremost.  What is it that makes a riff legendary though? it's not technicality, because some of the best riffs are simplistic, but it's not uh... simple-ism? because some of the best riffs are incredibly complex... For me I am not a big technical guitarist, having played for about 24 years, I really should be better than I am, I personally favour song writing and structuring over uh... riff smithery? (Fantastically technical terms I'm using here! XD) I have written quite a few riffs though, that I would consider legendary, though the next person may think they're mediocre... Speaking of legendary riffs and Ageless Venomous, the third riff from "Dawn of Flagellation", am I right? Absolute belter!!!

1 hour ago, Balor said:

I gave Fornicator's full length another listen this morning, and, though I think you have a point about trying to create maximum offensiveness, there certainly appeared to be a degree of genuine perversion/dedication to theme that goes beyond merely trying to be shocking.  But that is only my impression, as I cannot back up my view with evidence from interviews! (You may be completely right the whole time!)  Bizarre Uproar is pretty serious though.

Your band sounds a bit like Anal Cunt!

Yeah I was definitely influenced by AxCx lyrically, but we had actual songs too! xD obviously domestic violence is no laughing matter, at all, but the fact that I band would dare to make songs about it is kind of amusing. A bit like comedians like Frankie Boyle or Jimmy Carr, the subject isn't the thing that you're laughing at...

4 hours ago, Balor said:

It's interesting too how indistinguishable humor in extreme music can often be from serious interest.  Cannibal Corpse always seem like they are joking, Fornicator or Bizarre Uproar not so much.

I can't say I'd heard of either of those bands before, but Fornicator's demo was entitled "She Died on My Dick", come on if that is not intended as humour I don't know what is! The humour comes from the desire to cause maximum offence, I mean my first band was called Coathanger Abortion and we had a song called "Cot Death" and another called  "No Tears for dead Queers", none of us were homophobic at all, the title was intended to piss as many people off as possible, thus amusing ourselves... I will say that was 20 years ago now so please don't judge too harshly! I'm gonna get kicked out...

I do believe that humour plays an enormous part in Death Metal especially, Cannibal Corpse lyrics are supposed to be tongue in cheek, otherwise do the guys really fantasise about chopping people up or having their (own) faces smashed in with a hammer?

Venom lyrics again were supposed to be humorous, it's a sort of dark twisted sense of humour that hangs over the metal umbrella genre really, and the ones who are most hilarious are often the ones who deny it!!!

Oh damn, how old is this thread?!?! hahaha

On 4/24/2020 at 11:48 AM, noblastbeats said:

Evil Scarecrow == Good use of humour.

Tenacious D == Bad use of humour

Why? I think (and this is obviously just my opinion) groups like Evil Scarecrow genuinely love metal but can also burst the bubble of pomposity that sometimes surround it.

Tenacious D on the other hand just seem to take the piss out of metal.

Ergo, humour coming from a good place is healthy. Taking the piss for the sake of it is just annoying.

AxCx were definitely a pisstake band, they really ripped it out of the Grindcore scene, I really enjoy a bit of grindcore, but then I also really enjoyed hearing AxCx totally mug them all off...

I'm certainly no fan of the D, but I have no problem with them poking fun at Metal, a bit of humility goes a long way...

3 hours ago, JJWO said:

Immolation is definitely a favorite

cool, I'll check it out

Cool, Lucifer Incestus seemed to be more in the black metal phase, and their newer stuff seems to be more hardcore death metal... Maybe I should just get them track for track... Totenritual seems to be pretty good though

Yeah I'm listening to it now, always loved the production for Belphegor its consistently top drawer, these guys actually have had a bigger influence on my own writing than often I give them credit for, I regularly use the multi-layered melody style... See I'm listening to it now and I'm thinking, yeah it sounds fucking awesome. There's lots really good riffs in there, but a lack of legendary riffs... but then I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder... For example a legendary riff to me is 2:22 into "Soul Devourer" by Krisiun on Conquerors of Armageddon, or the opening riff to "Ye Entrance Emperium" - Emperor have many legendary riffs!

You and I are definitely cut from the same cloth dude, I can do Guttural Death Metal vocals, but only inhale technique, which is supposedly really bad for ya. Yeah I always have a certain message I wish to convey when I try write lyrics and then after 4 lines I'm like, uh, what now, that was it! And its always Parmesan...

Belphegor for me have a lot of great songs, but not a lot of great albums, "Bondage Goat Zombie" is a great track, but the rest of the album to me is forgettable, I think most of the best songs are on Lucifer Incestus… I remember hearing them the first time I think was on a terrorizer cd, "Hell's Ambassador" - quality song, now when I buy an album I really do hope that all of the music on it is in the same vein as the one track I've already heard and this certainly was the case with Pestapocalypse, but I dunno, none of the other tracks really stood out as AMAZING... So I guess my recommendation would be Lucifer Incestus

Maybe I'm too old skool, but I feel Cultural Appropriation is such a bullshit thing anyway, I mean surely that makes Iron Maiden like Racist or something right? they have songs about ancient Egypt, for example and I don't think they're Egyptian are they? I'm not out to offend anyone, but yeah I think if we had to worry about stuff such as this, well I couldn't use the name Sabazios as I'm not Phrygian... etc...