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Remind me why NTNR likes those guys? Ugh. Horrible.
Because there's more to a band than their image. Muhammed Sucmiez of Necrophagist doesn't look or dress like a metalhead, but his songwriting ability is unquestionable. By contrast, Guns N' Roses try to look metal but routinely fail because they simply aren't what people think they are. I've heard Poison before and I really don't think they're that bad either.
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Because there's more to a band than their image. Muhammed Sucmiez of Necrophagist doesn't look or dress like a metalhead' date=' but his songwriting ability is unquestionable. By contrast, Guns N' Roses try to look metal but routinely fail because they simply aren't what people think they are. I've heard Poison before and I really don't think they're that bad either.[/quote'] Perhaps you were listening to the true German Poison. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Perhaps you were listening to the true German Poison.
Nah, this was in a public place - the local swimming pool, in fact. Definitely not likely to be the German band. I thought it sounded nice, but I really don't have the kind of stringent hatred of glam that a lot of people on this site have. It's got bad bands like Motley Crue and Winger, but Stryper and Def Leppard aren't really that bad in my opinion. I can't get too mad at glam, half the time I think the bands just say they're hard rock and don't call themselves metal.
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Nah' date=' this was in a public place - the local swimming pool, in fact. Definitely not likely to be the German band. I thought it sounded nice, but I really don't have the kind of stringent hatred of glam that a lot of people on this site have. It's got bad bands like Motley Crue and Winger, but Stryper and Def Leppard aren't really that bad in my opinion. I can't get too mad at glam, half the time I think the bands just say they're hard rock and don't call themselves metal.[/quote'] Even if glam bands were correctly dissociated with metal, I would still hate the sound. It actively offends my sensibilities on many levels, much like most other varieties of pop music. I have a hard time differentiating between "good and bad" glam because the ones that are less lame do have actual talent, but force it down in favor of sounding easy and poppy. Even if I didn't like black metal or glam though, I would still be of the opinion that the glam look is worse.
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not all metal is about satan but people re like oh metal for satanic people typical sterotypical assholes the reason it is not mass popular my neignbor i used to live next i am sick of hearing disgusting music i 'm like dude you listein to rap dated a crackpot from a halfway house hello the people need to have open mind to metal not all metal bands have a bad image it's just dumbass people with closet minds not making it popular

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Even if glam bands were correctly dissociated with metal' date=' I would still hate the sound. It actively offends my sensibilities on many levels, much like most other varieties of pop music. I have a hard time differentiating between "good and bad" glam because the ones that are less lame do have actual talent, but force it down in favor of sounding easy and poppy. Even if I didn't like black metal or glam though, I would still be of the opinion that the glam look is worse.[/quote'] I'm in complete agreement with regards to the use of cosmetics. I cannot take Twisted Sister seriously for precisely that reason...but luckily for me Twisted Sister are also awful. Just out of curiosity, is there any glam metal that makes more of an attempt to avoid being poppy? Glam doesn't annoy me because it makes no pretense to being metal half of the time, and it doesn't pretend to be good. You know what you're getting. Still, that's true of Rick Ross, Cher Lloyd, Taylor Swift and Train, so maybe that's no compliment... If the names of those pop artists are highlighted I will throw a fit.
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I'm in complete agreement with regards to the use of cosmetics. I cannot take Twisted Sister seriously for precisely that reason...but luckily for me Twisted Sister are also awful. Just out of curiosity, is there any glam metal that makes more of an attempt to avoid being poppy? Glam doesn't annoy me because it makes no pretense to being metal half of the time, and it doesn't pretend to be good. You know what you're getting. Still, that's true of Rick Ross, Cher Lloyd, Taylor Swift and Train, so maybe that's no compliment... If the names of those pop artists are highlighted I will throw a fit.
I cannot stand Glam, Tranny Metal, they look so stupid and the music is either stupid, too commercial, or sickening.
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Glam doesn't appeal to me. I think it is at least as bad as nu-metal and metalcore in that it attempts to change what it is to be metal. Taking the music from being something for outsiders to something the outsiders can't stnd but the mainstream adore was the outcome of glam and that's not a good thing.

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I'm in complete agreement with regards to the use of cosmetics. I cannot take Twisted Sister seriously for precisely that reason...but luckily for me Twisted Sister are also awful. Just out of curiosity, is there any glam metal that makes more of an attempt to avoid being poppy? Glam doesn't annoy me because it makes no pretense to being metal half of the time, and it doesn't pretend to be good. You know what you're getting. Still, that's true of Rick Ross, Cher Lloyd, Taylor Swift and Train, so maybe that's no compliment... If the names of those pop artists are highlighted I will throw a fit.
That Dude With the Shades had posted a few Skid Row songs that were actually decent and somewhat heavy metal. It's nothing that I would rush out and buy, but it's definitely better than Poison or Cinderella. Similarly, I've heard a few Dokken songs that were decent, but I can't remember what they were called. It's interesting that you mentioned Twisted Sister, as they actually have a couple of songs that don't suck, like Under the Blade and Burn in Hell. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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That Dude With the Shades had posted a few Skid Row songs that were actually decent and somewhat heavy metal. It's nothing that I would rush out and buy' date=' but it's definitely better than Poison or Cinderella. Similarly, I've heard a few Dokken songs that were decent, but I can't remember what they were called. It's interesting that you mentioned Twisted Sister, as they actually have a couple of songs that don't suck, like Under the Blade and Burn in Hell.[/quote'] Agreed on Cinderella, the name is a bit of a hint as to the quality of the music. Winger especially annoys me since they do indeed dilute their sound every chance they get. I actually own the Dokken album Back For The Attack, and I might excavate it and give it another go sometime because it did have some strong guitar work on it.
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Check out some of the songs that I posted in the WASP thread like Mean Man and Shadow Man. WASP's albums The Headless Children and The Crimson Idol are actually far better metal than The Black Album and Countdown to Extinction in my opinion. Skid's Row's Slave to the Grind and Warrant's Dog Eat Dog are pretty solid. Lynch Mob and XYZ are two bands that did an excellent job at balancing a somewhat commercial sound while being pretty heavy and having great riffs and guitar work. At the beginning of the 90s, "glam" looked like it was really evolving for the better, becoming heavier and more mature. Unfortunately, this scene got squashed between groove metal and grunge, and all that was left after about 1994, at least in terms of mainstream popularity, was Van Halen, Def Leppard, a few minor Motley Crue hits, Bon Jovi ballads, and some joke bands like Ugly Kid Joe and Jackyl.

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I think Metallica's career is a perfect example of how true metal can resonate with the general public. There's of course their fifth album which put up Thriller numbers. Yes, I know that they simplified their sound, but it was still pure metal. It doesn't stop there, though. Just look at the sales for Metallica's first four albums; they vastly outstrip sales for the post-Black Album records. And what do people, many of whom got hooked on Metallica with Enter Sandman, say about Metallica's music? That they need to go back to the style of their early material. Hardly any is clamoring for a second Reload. There is a huge market out there for unfiltered metal, it just needs to be tapped.

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I think Metallica's career is a perfect example of how true metal can resonate with the general public. There's of course their fifth album which put up Thriller numbers. Yes' date=' I know that they simplified their sound, but it was still pure metal. It doesn't stop there, though. Just look at the sales for Metallica's first four albums; they vastly outstrip sales for the post-Black Album records. And what do people, many of whom got hooked on Metallica with Enter Sandman, say about Metallica's music? That they need to go back to the style of their early material. Hardly any is clamoring for a second Reload. There is a huge market out there for unfiltered metal, it just needs to be tapped.[/quote'] Metallica's old albums appealing to many is something of an anomoly that I believe is related to the popularity of The Black Album. The sales for their first four albums remain high, but they are also the only thrash metal albums (and in some cases, heavy metal albums in general) in these people's collections. The average music listener is much like the average person: an idiot. The appeal of Metallica's early albums to these people is unknown to me, but if it is that they truly like metal, it seems suspect to me that they do not seek out more metal to listen to. It's more likely that they've just been hugely popular for the last 20 years and people like them because they don't know any better, as I can't say that a very large percentage of their fans are metalheads. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Metallica's old albums appealing to many is something of an anomoly that I believe is related to the popularity of The Black Album. The sales for their first four albums remain high' date=' but they are also the only thrash metal albums (and in some cases, heavy metal albums in general) in these people's collections. The average music listener is much like the average person: an idiot. The appeal of Metallica's early albums to these people is unknown to me, but if it is that they truly like metal, it seems suspect to me that they do not seek out more metal to listen to. It's more likely that they've just been hugely popular for the last 20 years and people like them because they don't know any better, as I can't say that a very large percentage of their fans are metalheads.[/quote'] I wouldn't call their rise an anomaly, per se, they worked their asses off and it paid off in the end. They've easily outsold all their original heroes but they were on their way down when Metallica was on the rise.
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I wouldn't call their rise an anomaly' date=' per se, they worked their asses off and it paid off in the end. They've easily outsold all their original heroes but they were on their way down when Metallica was on the rise.[/quote'] I didn't say that their rise was an anomaly, I said that fans of The Black Album liking their thrash metal albums is an anomaly. The Black Album is pure pop, a turd polished for easy digestion by many, yet lacking any substance and being nothing more than shit beneath the shiny exterior. It would be one thing if their other pop/rock albums were the big sellers, but as That Dude With the Shades pointed out, it's their older albums that have enjoyed the higher sales figures from that album's popularity.
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I'm in complete agreement with regards to the use of cosmetics. I cannot take Twisted Sister seriously for precisely that reason...but luckily for me Twisted Sister are also awful. Just out of curiosity, is there any glam metal that makes more of an attempt to avoid being poppy? Glam doesn't annoy me because it makes no pretense to being metal half of the time, and it doesn't pretend to be good. You know what you're getting. Still, that's true of Rick Ross, Cher Lloyd, Taylor Swift and Train, so maybe that's no compliment... If the names of those pop artists are highlighted I will throw a fit.
Crashdiet is pretty fun.
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Crashdiet is pretty fun.
They've had past members that were in great bands, so I checked them out despite the glam tag. It was almost like a glam hyperbole, revisiting it with an exaggerated sense after its fall, so it was simultaneously better and worse than what inspired it for poking fun at it while trying harder to achieve the same thing. Decent idea in theory, but the music just couldn't back it up for me.
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I think with the way the music business is so backwards today, the bands are simply not getting paid what they are worth. When that happens the fans are the ones who suffer. Metal is not the huge deal it used to be even though there are a lot of really amazing new groups around. Tell someone you are a metal fan and they look at you like you're an alien or something it's sad. But I'll be one until I die \m/ Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S 3

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Some metal is very popular, but in terms of the whole genre being massively popular, I highly doubt it, and I hope it never does. Shitty bands like 5FDP and TDWP can sell 30-40K albums in their first week somehow, but I don't think even these super-accessible bands can break through to the point that gossip magazines will cover their whereabouts, a concert movie of theirs will get a wide release, or they'll be all over top 40 radio stations.

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metal won't ever reach the level of dominance it had in the eighties ever again. It's still the most popular form of music outside the mainstream but that counts for very little. It's a shame but arguably it is good for the genre we don't have as many bands just trying to get rich quick by jumping on the trend (that's what metalcore is for...) but at the same time we are instead plagued by bands who just hero worship bands into the ground.

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