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I don't really understand how that's relevant, though. I don't have any sort of feminist agenda while at a show; I'm there to listen to the band and have fun. It's irrational to shy away from any person who you think could possibly be a radical feminist, especially if you're going to exclude all women because of this. With the point of chauvinism over a skull fracture, I get your point, but no one really seems to worry about other guys safety as much as mine and that bothers me. It's like there's a barrier around me trying to prevent me from any sort of movement of the crowd. It also makes me feel like I'm annoying everyone around me just for being there because instead of focusing on other things, they feel this obligation to protect me. I'm small and if I fell or something, I'd like some help, but it's unnecessary to be so focused on my safety. If I was truly worried, I'd stay at the back, but I'm near the front for a reason.

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it may be a combination of the predominantly male crowd entering into a group mentality and the archaic notion of women needing protection from potentially dangerous activities. It can be quite frustrating when surrounded by people who treat you like you need to be wrapped in cotton wool, I've never experienced that at a concert but have when I was in school and my mates didn't let me play soccer or football (Australian Rules Football) but that was because I'm vision impaired

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It's irrational to shy away from any person who you think could possibly be a radical feminist' date=' especially if you're going to exclude all women because of this. [/quote'] True, but I sympathize with anyone who would because I understand why they would be driven to do such a thing. They probably think that on the whole it's better to go with the lazy and safe option. I'm probably just extremely bitter about this because like I said there's a lot of feminism around my campus and it's a very ugly and obnoxious brand at that. The most revolting part about this is that such radicals claim to speak for everyone when they state their goals - for example, eliminating polygamy in Islam. However, as soon as a single Muslim woman speaks up in favor of polygamy they will immediately label her as a brainwashed sod instead of giving her the respect they so hypocritically claim to extend to all members of their sex.
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I don't really understand how that's relevant, though. I don't have any sort of feminist agenda while at a show; I'm there to listen to the band and have fun. It's irrational to shy away from any person who you think could possibly be a radical feminist, especially if you're going to exclude all women because of this. With the point of chauvinism over a skull fracture, I get your point, but no one really seems to worry about other guys safety as much as mine and that bothers me. It's like there's a barrier around me trying to prevent me from any sort of movement of the crowd. It also makes me feel like I'm annoying everyone around me just for being there because instead of focusing on other things, they feel this obligation to protect me. I'm small and if I fell or something, I'd like some help, but it's unnecessary to be so focused on my safety. If I was truly worried, I'd stay at the back, but I'm near the front for a reason.
I definitely agree with the first part of your statement, there no reason to assume anything about anyone until you've actually talked to them. I know that Iceni gets burned around his university by extreme feminists and it's given him a bad taste in his mouth so to speak, but it's no reason to shut off your association with women altogether. Regarding the rest of what you had said though, you have to understand that men are taught from the youngest age that it is NOT OKAY to physically hurt women. There's not really a way to get that out of our heads, as with many of us there is a built in fear of something bad happening, which is certainly not what we want. Obviously there are cases like this where you don't mind a bit of rough stuff in the pit, but until you dive in and go for it of your own volition, guys will never know if you're up for it or not. I've seen girls in the pit before, but it's not until they throw themselves in that guys drop their guard and go with it.
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I'm female and I'm not a hardcore feminist. I like metal for the music. I honestly couldn't care less if it's masculine and I wouldn't say that some sub-genres of metal, such as power metal, are overly masculine anyway. I honestly do not care if men who are into metal think they are better than me because I'm female, because that's their own opinion, just like my opinion is that everyone is equal. Everyone's entitled to think what they want. I get told that I should dress, act and be more feminine all the time and that the music I listen to isn't very 'lady like' ect. But, even before I listened to metal I wasn't very feminine. I think the majority of females who listen to metal have been somewhat 'tomboy'-ish when they were younger, but doesn't mean that all are 'hardcore feminists'. Like it matters what's considered 'feminine' or 'masculine' anyway. I think what matters more is the music. Some people like it and some people don't, regardless of gender. I do think that a lot of females who are into alternative music lean more towards the deathcore/metalcore side of things and I'm sure a lot of you can see why as it's probably the same reason why many females were attracted to glam metal in the 80s/90s and even now. I am pretty sure there are less females who are into metal as I have not once been to a metal concert/festival where there were more females than males, and I'm sure a lot of you will say the same. But why does this matter? Just because someone is of a different gender, it doesn't mean they aren't and can't be part of the metal 'brotherhood'. I think it's what's in your mind, how you think, not what's in your pants.

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metal has always been male dominated and probably will continue to be so, having said that there does seem to be an increase in the number of females who listen to it, you're right in saying gender doesn't matter it's about how you think but from a male perspective it would be nice to see more females at metal shows, in the words of Angela Gossow "when metal was just sweaty, ugly guys it must have been a bit boring" she had a point when she said that

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I'm female and I'm not a hardcore feminist. I like metal for the music. I honestly couldn't care less if it's masculine and I wouldn't say that some sub-genres of metal, such as power metal, are overly masculine anyway. I honestly do not care if men who are into metal think they are better than me because I'm female, because that's their own opinion, just like my opinion is that everyone is equal. Everyone's entitled to think what they want. I get told that I should dress, act and be more feminine all the time and that the music I listen to isn't very 'lady like' ect. But, even before I listened to metal I wasn't very feminine. I think the majority of females who listen to metal have been somewhat 'tomboy'-ish when they were younger, but doesn't mean that all are 'hardcore feminists'. Like it matters what's considered 'feminine' or 'masculine' anyway. I think what matters more is the music. Some people like it and some people don't, regardless of gender. I do think that a lot of females who are into alternative music lean more towards the deathcore/metalcore side of things and I'm sure a lot of you can see why as it's probably the same reason why many females were attracted to glam metal in the 80s/90s and even now. I am pretty sure there are less females who are into metal as I have not once been to a metal concert/festival where there were more females than males, and I'm sure a lot of you will say the same. But why does this matter? Just because someone is of a different gender, it doesn't mean they aren't and can't be part of the metal 'brotherhood'. I think it's what's in your mind, how you think, not what's in your pants.
I love this view, awesome post. I find it much more attractive for a woman to be secure in who she is than to simply conform to societal views of what women "should" look and act like. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I love this view' date=' awesome post. I find it much more attractive for a woman to be secure in who she is than to simply conform to societal views of what women "should" look and act like.[/quote'] For that matter, a lot of male metalheads don't really fit the social view of what a man should be...the first and foremost sign of that being long hair. :D
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Re: Male chauvinism in Metal We really need to stop letting the media dictate our views on gender roles and appearance, but as there is very little left in society not controlled by commercialism and consumerism, we'll keep being told that women need to be a malnourished 80 lbs. with massive fake balloon tits, and men should be hairless, weight lifting, inarticulate retards. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Re: Male chauvinism in Metal a lot of women are paranoid about their weight saying that they're fat. they are nowhere near fat! women should have curvy hips and actually have an arse! its not natural for them to be that thin! girls should know guys love curves! although despite this i respect people regardless of their weight, but if this beauty is considered fat wtf has this world come to!du7uvubu.jpg she is a size 12 i think, and somehow that's not thin enough! stupid. and also huge baloon fake tits are stupid :)

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We really need to stop letting the media dictate our views on gender roles and appearance, but as there is very little left in society not controlled by commercialism and consumerism, we'll keep being told that women need to be a malnourished 80 lbs. with massive fake balloon tits, and men should be hairless, weight lifting, inarticulate retards. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
This. Wherever you look today, everything is about fitting the perfect look, both for male and female. Most of the people are fucking brainless and are just following the great mass, without thinking what they actually like. If you like something or look like what isn't in the "perfect image of being man or women", you are retarded according to them. But also, look to children nowadays. They got a big mouth, and are more occupied with their looks than something else. But they think it's normal, because they see on tv nothing else. If you look on MTV, most time there are videoclips with halfnaked women in it or there are series like Jersey Shore. Or if you look to a soccermatch: most of the players have short hair and are caring sometimes more about the way they look instead of playing soccer, etc. And if children see only this on tv and some posters on street with only halfnaked women on it or hairless men, they think it's normal. Ugh, it frustrates me really hard.
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and men should be hairless' date=' weight lifting, inarticulate retards.[/quote'] I don't even know what the stereotype is for men anymore, so I couldn't be normal even if I tried.:P Given the popularity of boy bands and the wearing of plaid shirts alongside skinny jeans for men, it seems that it isn't just weightlifters who get a good rap from society. From what I can tell the basic archetype is stupidity. At no point do I get the impression from most people my age and most pop-culture sources that genuine intelligence or introspection is a trait that they like to see in people. It's this weird social definition of what it really means to be a 'man' which enables people to say that metal is chauvinist since nobody can empirically pin down the definition firmly enough to make a counter-argument. Of course, given that people even at my university don't really argue so much as start every bloody sentence with "Like, I just feel that...", it's understandable that this overwhelming sentimentality would make argument itself impossible.
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a lot of women are paranoid about their weight saying that they're fat. they are nowhere near fat! women should have curvy hips and actually have an arse! its not natural for them to be that thin! girls should know guys love curves! although despite this i respect people regardless of their weight, but if this beauty is considered fat wtf has this world come to!du7uvubu.jpg she is a size 12 i think, and somehow that's not thin enough! stupid. and also huge baloon fake tits are stupid :)
Gosh, she's lovelly.
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a lot of women are paranoid about their weight saying that they're fat. they are nowhere near fat! women should have curvy hips and actually have an arse! its not natural for them to be that thin! girls should know guys love curves! although despite this i respect people regardless of their weight, but if this beauty is considered fat wtf has this world come to!du7uvubu.jpg she is a size 12 i think, and somehow that's not thin enough! stupid. and also huge baloon fake tits are stupid :)
Her weight is ok, but she should give shape to the body, 'cause her belly isn't that good.. Everyone has something to strive for..))
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