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Seems to me that alot of guys just assume they are sposed to like metal, gals on the other hand seem to like it because they "aren't supposed to".  Both genders exhibit "wanna be's", normally given away by their "main stream" or "big act" t shirts and their overwhelming urge to "fit in" to what they assume to be a stereotypical group (metal heads).   When the truth is metal crosses all spectrums of types of people apart from genders.  Social class, goegraphical location, age, appearance, occupation and so forth mean nothing.  There is metal everywhere of all kinds for everyone to enjoy, and that is the true beauty of metal. 

With that being said, women being more emotional by nature are likely more moved or gripped by a given piece of metal.  They will listen to it alone, nobody would suspect alot of them to be "metal heads", and they listen for themselves.  Not to say there isn't lil sluts running around in bathory or darkthrone shirts who never dwelled past the mainstream act of the top listed acts in their "preferred" sub genre or metal 

Males on the other hand, more egotistical, and boisterous by nature.  Seem to hear it from a friend, buy the shirt, hang out with other "metalheads" and go on liking it cause it revs them up and it's what buddy likes, and it makes you "tuff" compared to the white kids liking rap and top 40 crap.  Alot I feel dont "feel" music as others may, they are just self branding them sorry selves.  Women being more "emotionally aware" I feel gives them an upper hand to understanding any music not just metal, better than us lowly simple males...

While this sector of music is male dominated, as I mentioned earlier metal is about breaking stereotypes, the norm, and unadherence to social pressures, gender or any other way of classifying a human means nothing.  All kinds of people all over love all kinds of metal, and it's a beautiful thing. 

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On 11/11/2017 at 9:17 PM, Somguyoveryonder said:

Both genders exhibit "wanna be's", normally given away by their "main stream" or "big act" t shirts and their overwhelming urge to "fit in"

Not to go off topic, and I see where you're coming from but I hope you're not suggesting that wearing a Metallica/Iron Maiden t-shirt (presuming by "big act" you're referring those kinds of bands) automatically flags you as a poser?  I wouldn't consider Iron Maiden to be any less of a genuine metal band just because of their popularity among people who are perhaps not typically metal-inclined (I won't comment on Metallica - personally I'm a fan but I know they're a subject of controversy in the wider metal community so I'll leave that can of worms unopened :wink:).

 

As for the topic at hand, I don't think metal in and of itself is necessarily any more chauvinistic than other scenes or sub-cultures.  The style comes across as masculine in nature but really it's all just on the surface.  It's the "image" that metal happens to project, not necessarily on purpose, just an unintended result of the themes it typically incorporates into the music.  It's not necessarily for better or for worse, it's just what metal is.  So maybe it's just natural that this appeals more to men than it does to women.  Any genuine male chauvinism that occurs in metal (groping women at gigs or whatever) is really down the attitudes of the individuals perpetrating it and is not a reflection of metal as a whole.  It's certainly not what metal is about.

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Spot on, across all genres of music, and in all walks of life, one may find chauvinism. Those perpetrating are individuals and their actions ought not reflect on the majority who carry themselves with dignity and respect.

 

As for the poser thing it's a stupid label. People like what they like and if it isn't hurting you then what should you care?

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On 1/27/2018 at 9:03 PM, RelentlessOblivion said:

Spot on, across all genres of music, and in all walks of life, one may find chauvinism. Those perpetrating are individuals and their actions ought not reflect on the majority who carry themselves with dignity and respect.

 

As for the poser thing it's a stupid label. People like what they like and if it isn't hurting you then what should you care?

Probably because being a poser is symptomatic of being dishonest, albeit in a way that won't hurt anyone else. They're projecting themselves as something they're not. Wearing a Metallica shirt because you love Metallica is great; wearing one because you're hoping it will make you look rebellious - and you can't name a single song beyond Nothing Else Matters - is still ok (it's a free country), but on the lame side. 

Now where did I put my Euronymous jacket....

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I think the label is more aimed at bands like slipknot and killswitch engage. Now I know in the past I've been vocal on that subject but my stance has softened. These days I don't hold such bands in high regard but won't crucify someone for saying "I love metal, aren't Slipknot great?" What's the point? That person likes that band and nothing you say will change that.

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2 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

I think the label is more aimed at bands like slipknot and killswitch engage. Now I know in the past I've been vocal on that subject but my stance has softened. These days I don't hold such bands in high regard but won't crucify someone for saying "I love metal, aren't Slipknot great?" What's the point? That person likes that band and nothing you say will change that.

Yep good point. There's no glory in running someone down due to the music they like and making them feel bad. 

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Yep good point. There's no glory in running someone down due to the music they like and making them feel bad. 

There isn't, but I believe in calling a spade a spade. People need to grow some thicker skin if they wish to survive the internet, and realize that they're going to be called out and proven wrong several times throughout their lives. I've been on the receiving end of knowledge bombs many times, and I don't begrudge people for dropping them on me. I was saying something stupid or was talking about something I clearly didn't know enough about, and I'm glad for being corrected before I made a bigger ass of myself.

 

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On 4/13/2018 at 8:08 AM, BlutAusNerd said:

There isn't, but I believe in calling a spade a spade. People need to grow some thicker skin if they wish to survive the internet, and realize that they're going to be called out and proven wrong several times throughout their lives. I've been on the receiving end of knowledge bombs many times, and I don't begrudge people for dropping them on me.

I mean, things must be said if someone waltzes into a room and goes, "Hey, Watchtower is great and all but Slipknot are really on a whole other level."

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I mean, things must be said if someone waltzes into a room and goes, "Hey, Watchtower is great and all but Slipknot are really on a whole other level."
That statement on its own, while troubling, wouldn't really register on my radar. I'm sure that there are informed individuals who really feel that way, but when people make sweeping statements and represent them as the product of loads of research they haven't really done, or have weird preconceived notions about something that they haven't bothered to explore and try to pass them off as facts, that kind of thing needs to be corrected.

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On 4/15/2018 at 1:41 PM, BlutAusNerd said:

That statement on its own, while troubling, wouldn't really register on my radar. I'm sure that there are informed individuals who really feel that way, but when people make sweeping statements and represent them as the product of loads of research they haven't really done, or have weird preconceived notions about something that they haven't bothered to explore and try to pass them off as facts, that kind of thing needs to be corrected.

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I think the point of any kind of internet discussion forum is to exchange ideas and that means that sometimes there is going to be contradiction and disagreement. Anyone who cant handle that probably doesnt belong here.

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I think the point of any kind of internet discussion forum is to exchange ideas and that means that sometimes there is going to be contradiction and disagreement. Anyone who cant handle that probably doesnt belong here.
Absolutely. It's okay for people to disagree, but getting butthurt over it will get you flamed.

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5 minutes ago, BlutAusNerd said:

Absolutely. It's okay for people to disagree, but getting butthurt over it will get you flamed.

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As they should be.

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