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I like bands from every subgenre of metal' date=' though I generally stay away from death metal and deathcore. I am kind of angry that so many bands took influence from Pantera's pseudo-macho alcoholic metal, yet the influence of the excellent, psychedelic White Zombie has been very minimal.[/quote'] The only style of death metal that I can think of that even borders on being influenced by Pantera is slam death, which is heavy on groove, as well as some of the more hardcore flavored NY/east coast death metal bands. Death metal really hit its stride in 1990, with tons of bands releasing their early albums by then, but that was the same year that Pantera dropped Cowboys From Hell. They didn't release their real "groove metal" album until 1992, and by then death metal was already well into full swing, with bands coming out of the woodwork from everywhere. As far as deathcore, it may or may not be influenced by Pantera, but I don't really know or care, because I can't stand the stuff.
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The only style of death metal that I can think of that even borders on being influenced by Pantera is slam death' date=' which is heavy on groove, as well as some of the more hardcore flavored NY/east coast death metal bands. Death metal really hit its stride in 1990, with tons of bands releasing their early albums by then, but that was the same year that Pantera dropped Cowboys From Hell. They didn't release their real "groove metal" album until 1992, and by then death metal was already well into full swing, with bands coming out of the woodwork from everywhere. As far as deathcore, it may or may not be influenced by Pantera, but I don't really know or care, because I can't stand the stuff.[/quote'] Oh I know that. I don't like alot of death metal, but I'm also not the biggest fan of all of the groove and metalcore bands that are essentially Pantera clones. It all sounds so generic.
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I try not to hate on other metalheads, but being a traditionalist, whenever I see a kid with a fringe, snakebites etc. (this includes several of my friends) either saying he is a metalhead, being refered to as metal etc. I get an involuntary feeling of hatred, much the same as if i see a hipster or any kind of poser. I wish i didnt (honest :P), im not one to shout about what true metal is, but i guess i just have a subconscious association with that style and posers.

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I can stand it more than brutal death metal; I like Cynic and Death. It really pisses me off when I see all of these awesome death metal album covers' date=' and then the music is absolutely terrible.[/quote'] Try Illogicist then. Great Italian band that sounds like Death. Aletheian is also one of my favorite groups: they're influenced by Cynic.
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hm its interesting. i am always find that a lot of people will go ohh that fucking sucks it shit its gay. with out explaining why it is or why they don't like it. may i add that most of the people who do this are teenagers. who seem to think that there music is the best ever invented. which is fine to think. i dont agree. i think the music now days is no where near as creative as honest and most important as good as it was say in the late 60 to say early 90s. one thing i like to ask is what is poser metal? what dose that mean. it something people are using a lot but never say what it means

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I think a lot of metal head feel that certain bands are a) working on a lower technical level than they enojy, ripping off better bands and watering them down and B) they set out to attract exactly the wrong type of fan, posers, who are into metal not because they love the music but because it is a way for them to express there teenage rebelious or emo tendancies. I think this is a bit unfair on the bands there you go.

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Again with this Strategos? Mate you know we don't want you to stop listening to the bands you enjoy, but, bands such as Slipknot, Trivium, and Killswitch Engage are watered down pseudo-metal. To me Slipknot are a watered down cannibal corpse made worse by the fact that cannibal corpse are themselves a watered down version of death metal. Killswitch engage could be likened to a watered down Dark Tranquility only with pop choruses and the same can be said for most metalcore bands who claim to be metal but really represent only its most basic elements dumbed down to make them commercially appealing. It's a reverse of what was happening in the eighties where shitty hair metal bands like Poison and Motley Crue were ruling the scene until Metallica came along playing fast, aggressive metal that made you want to headbang until your neck snapped (I watch a lot of documentaries on metal since I wasn't actually around for the eighties). The metal world has become somewhat stagnant recently which means pretty soon some band is going to emerge playing something we've never heard before, spawning an entirely new genre, quite an exciting prospect if you ask me.

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That's nothing. Have you seen the posts that some of the Vikings on this forum have written? they dont always capitalize, Correctly, or use apostrophes, but they do, use commas, excessively, and also use other words, that are not actually English words aswell

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could be any number of things Strat, could be something more rudimentary then metalcore, or something that takes elements of older genres and combines them into some hyper agressive, punishing metal, who knows it could even be something that takes doom metal and mixes it with something else to creat slower, heavier and more sinister metal, could be doom/death with funeral doom elements and massive tempo shifts

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It's a reverse of what was happening in the eighties where shitty hair metal bands like Poison and Motley Crue were ruling the scene until Metallica came along playing fast' date=' aggressive metal that made you want to headbang until your neck snapped (I watch a lot of documentaries on metal since I wasn't actually around for the eighties).[/quote'] Metallica actually only crossed over into the mainstream when they slowed down and simplified their sound. Also, I don't think that the complete demise of glam metal was a good thing. While it's true that the genre was getting bloated and over-commercialized with bands like Trixter, and was putting out a flood of unnecessary acoustic ballads, other band were improving. Skid Row and Warrant put out some really good, heavy records in the early nineties, and Def Leppard and Van Halen had solid releases too. It probably would have had to compete with alternative rock and groove metal, but that would have been a good thing and allowed for more styles to overlap. As it were, alot of good bands got shunted unfairly and we ended up with stuff like Nickelback and Shinedown that appeals to the very lowest common denominator in rock fandom.
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your point about Metallica was not what I was meaning, it was more pointing out that when metal stagnates and one particular style becomes full of itself quite often that causes a radical shift, it happened when the first wave metal bands started to become played out the NWOBHM exploded onto the scene with twin guitars playing faster, more melodic metal, glam evolved and the NWOBHM ran dry then thrash came out of nowhere taking elements of NWOBHM, combining them with elements of punk and created extremely aggressive and very high energy metal, our world, the metal world, is long overdue for something like this to happen again

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I completely agree. I think that the sludge scene has been pretty solid, but it's starting to get stale. Screamo got really old really quickly. Retro-thrash bands often seem more intent on pretending that it's 1986 rather than putting out innovative music. Metalcore is been there, done that. Female-fronted gothic metal has some winners, but again, nothing too innovative. Post-metal is still going strong, but yet again, not much evolution. What I would love to see is funk metal. Not like Red Hot Chili Peppers, but pure heavy metal with lots of funk and other psychedelic influences. Also, incorporating some dance rhythms would be cool. I'm not saying make it into club music, but maybe have some old school rock and roll or Aerosmith-inspired riffs. Also, I'd love to see a return to trippy, bizarre lyrics ala White Zombie or Cathedral. Much of the song-writing in modern metal is severely lacking.

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I'd like to see metal take a really bizarre step next' date=' move into territory it hasn't been before maybe with really hypnotic elements, take some of the psychadelic stuff from Stoner Metal and really run with them[/quote'] I was thinking the same thing! Also, I think it would be really cool if there was more improvisation in live shows... that kind of thing.
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What I would love to see is funk metal. Not like Red Hot Chili Peppers' date=' but pure heavy metal with lots of funk and other psychedelic influences. Also, incorporating some dance rhythms would be cool.[/quote'] Try Carnival in Coal and Polkadot Cadaver. Polkadot Cadaver - A Wolf In Jesus Skin #02 - YouTube As you will find they aren't my favorite lyrics, but this is a great song...
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I'd like to see metal take a really bizarre step next' date=' move into territory it hasn't been before maybe with really hypnotic elements, take some of the psychadelic stuff from Stoner Metal and really run with them[/quote'] Stoner metal had easily been one of the most creative metal genres. Bands like Monster Magnet, Orange Goblin, Cathedral, and Lake of Tears have really thought outside the box when it comes to lyrics and music (though a few of them also overdo the 70s slang and lyrical themes). Doom metal has also given us some really great stuff, although you have to do a bit of searching to weed through the super-morose bands. There are some good power metal bands out there, but you really have to work your way through the Dragonforce and Manowar clones to find them.
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