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I suppose if we are concerning ourselves with semantics the intent of this thread is to discuss the necessity of anti-religious sentiment. On the one hand from a purely objective viewpoint there is no necessity whatsoever. It would not see the demise of any band to not attack religion in their lyrics. That being said music is a form of artistic expression and subjectively perhaps these artists do feel a need to do so. Subjective necessity however lacks credibility because it is so personal. What is viewed as a valid expression of one's feelings (and a much needed one at that) by the artist may be viewed as sick, offensive and dangerous to another individual.

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Subjective necessity however lacks credibility because it is so personal. What is viewed as a valid expression of one's feelings (and a much needed one at that) by the artist may be viewed as sick' date=' offensive and dangerous to another individual.[/quote'] I disagree. Subjective necessity doesn't lack credibility at all. It's the only credibility there is, in my opinion - the need to make something, and the need to make it about something in particular.
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If it can't be examined and cross-examined it lacks credibility in an argument. Of course that doesn't actually mean it isn't credible outside of that environment only that subjective necessity would rarely hold up as a valid line of debate.
Well yes, it would because logic and validity exist outside of external truth. So a subjective opinion can be valid and logical but completely wrong.
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If it can't be examined and cross-examined it lacks credibility in an argument. Of course that doesn't actually mean it isn't credible outside of that environment only that subjective necessity would rarely hold up as a valid line of debate.
We're talking about two different things. I think the most valid reasons to make art (and I include music) are completely subjective. That's certainly what keeps me going. I wouldn't look to anyone's lyrics for insight into anything other than their own perspective on the human condition. That's fascinating enough for me, most days, and it's why Pete Steele is one of the rare songwriters in metal that I can enjoy even when I completely disagree with him. Chuck Schuldiner is another, although he only approached Pete's expressiveness on Sound Of Perseverance IMO. I could only hope to achieve that kind of honesty about myself while writing good songs about it. I look at Type O as a really valid, compelling self-portrait of a fucked-up dude. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Re: Is the whole "Anti Religion" really necessary?

That sounds a little bit like the Reinkaos album concept from Dissection.
Gnosticism will be one of the religious tie-ins, but I'm definitely approaching it in a very different way. There definitely won't be any invocations to the unmaking of the universe. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Everything I'm hearing about the new Nevertanezra makes me wish it was out already. How's your black/thrash project going by the way? Oh and Alabaster yes we are talking about two very different things. One can't base arguments on subjective material but by the same token art should not be judged based on objective criteria.

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Everything I'm hearing about the new Nevertanezra makes me wish it was out already. How's your black/thrash project going by the way? Oh and Alabaster yes we are talking about two very different things. One can't base arguments on subjective material but by the same token art should not be judged based on objective criteria.
Mike and I were supposed to record some demo tracks today to send to our artist and also our potential drummer, but his wife was sick so it got cancelled. I ended up dealing with a dog lice issue today that took up some time. As far as the black/thrash band goes (still working on a name), we're going to start recording our 3 song demo on Monday. The 3 songs we'll be recording are called Disciples, Eat the Dead, and Moon's Rapture, and we'll probably just put them out on CDRs and/or online for download. I don't think we'll convert many that aren't already into black or thrash metal, but they should scratch that itch and get some heads banging. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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By right I mean there can be no wrong because it was a subjective statement and therefore can not be fixed as that applies an objective standard. Shit Al is right I am better suited to life as a heartless, soulless leech plaguing society and feeding on societal problems for which there is an obvious and less parasitic solution.

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Shit Al is right I am better suited to life as a heartless' date=' soulless leech plaguing society and feeding on societal problems for which there is an obvious and less parasitic solution.[/quote'] Well, the world needs sharks. How else are we going to get rid of all the excess silicone-breasted bronzed blondes in the world?
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Besides Leatherface currently holds the patent on chainsaw related massacres though that may be limited to Texas. Personally I prefer the longbow. It's quiet and you don't run the risk of blood transmitted disease.
You're missing so many opportunities for more fun in your life. Plus you may find, with your vision impairment, that a melee weapon such as the noble chainsaw will suit your needs better than you first thought. The thought of Ghouly with a chainsaw, on the other hand, is simply horrifying.
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