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Re: US Thrash VS German Thrash

German no contest. All of the faster/more brutal US bands were influenced by Teutonic thrash with exceptions being Wehrmacht' date=' Demolition Hammer, and Dark Angel. As a whole the German scene is much better than most of US thrash bands.[/quote'] Maybe true to a point, especially with bands like Morbid Saint, but Morbid Saint easily best Kreator at their own game. Regardless of the influence, Spectrum of Death trumps Pleasure to Kill, so that still signals a win for the US.
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German for sure! There's some American thrash bands I love' date=' too, but German thrash is far better.[/quote'] For the more popular bands, I could see this being true. However, once you get down to the lesser known bands from each country, I would say that the US wins, by volume and quality. Even with expanding on the German thrash bands in my collection since posting this, I can't give them the nod. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I would say US thrash would be better... but just by a hair. My biggest problem with German thrash is that I find with most bands the vocals are too harsh.
I would argue that that's one of the better qualities about German thrash, vocals that tend to be quite harsh which matches the tone of the music. Melodic vocals over vicious thrash can be cool too, but I love nasty sounding thrash vocals.
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German, for to me there are more things to consider than just the music and vocals. Say what you want but i want the whole package to have the same attitude. Shorts and t-shirt is not metal... At least not in my eyes, And i might be really wrong here but i somehow relate that outfit to US thrash, and death for that reason too. This might be really ignorant of me but im fine with it if thats so.

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German, for to me there are more things to consider than just the music and vocals. Say what you want but i want the whole package to have the same attitude. Shorts and t-shirt is not metal... At least not in my eyes, And i might be really wrong here but i somehow relate that outfit to US thrash, and death for that reason too. This might be really ignorant of me but im fine with it if thats so.
Those might be valid concerns if you were merely addressing the big Bay Area thrash bands, but my vote for the US doesn't go to them. I definitely prefer my thrash to be darker, faster, heavier, and/or more technical, and while some Bay Area bands accomplished that (Sadus, Slayer, Exodus), it's bands like Morbid Saint, Exhorder, Demolition Hammer, Watchtower, Realm, etc... that push the US to a win. It's not an easy call, especially with German gems that I've found recently like Holy Moses' ripping Finished With the Dogs, but still one that I agree with. I know that you mentioned the clothes, but I know that's not what you're talking about. I can't describe it either, bit Euronymous seemed to have the same view. That said, there were plenty of Swedish death metal bands in shorts and "non-metal" attire too. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I havent really explored Thrash to that extent. Exactly , its not the clothes im really talking about, its something else. Yes now when you mentioned it thats more or less the same issue Euronymous had with band as Entombed or Therion. I just prefer Thrash with a darker approach and as harsh vocals as possible. So until i dive deeper into this i say German.

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Here's an example of a US thrash band that doesn't get enough credit, but does dark, heavy, and ripping thrash better than just about any band out there: CGx_lkJsCZI Morbid Saint were from Wisconsin, and there isn't exactly a huge metal scene there. To make matters worse, they were signed to a Mexican label with terrible distribution, and it's really just been since the time of the internet that their popularity has flourished with hardcore thrashers. These guys sound like the best elements from early Slayer and Kreator's Pleasure to Kill mashed together, but I like this better than anything Kreator ever did and just about all of Slayer's stuff.

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Thank you ! This is really good, And the vocals is great, just what i want to hear from this type of metal.
That's great dude, I'm glad you liked it. I think anybody that likes German and/or brutal thrash would dig those guys, I just wish that they got more credit. Such is the way of things though, unfortunately most brilliant bands spend their existence toiling in obscurity. If you decide to pick it up, try to find one of the versions with their other recording Destruction System attached, it's not as good as Spectrum of Death, but is still worth hearing. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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