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The irony is that ‘Martyre’ was the last release from the original (and best) lineup, with ‘Veronika’ feeling like a different band to me due to the absence of guitarist and main songwriter Kim Larsen. 
While I like elements of ‘Veronika Decides to Die’ and ‘Saturn in Ascension’, without Kim they just lack that x-factor. 
Veronika certainly isn't the same calibre as Paradise, but I still stylistically prefer it to Martyre. It feels like a less inspired evolution from their original formula, rather than the detour they took on Martyre with stripping the death metal out in favor of a lot more gothic metal. I will acknowledge that I need to spend more time with Martyre since I've listened to it the least out of their albums, but I usually play it right after Paradise, and it sounds really lackluster in comparison. Maybe listening to it solo without the debut on my mind will help.

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The irony is that ‘Martyre’ was the last release from the original (and best) lineup, with ‘Veronika’ feeling like a different band to me due to the absence of guitarist and main songwriter Kim Larsen. 
While I like elements of ‘Veronika Decides to Die’ and ‘Saturn in Ascension’, without Kim they just lack that x-factor.
It’s like they asked Kim’s replacement, “Can you write songs like Kim?” 
“Ok, I’ll try”. 
You end up with a ball park style which is fun enough, but great songwriting is hard to emulate (and fabricate). ‘Saturn in Ascension’ in particular is written entirely by the new guy who plays all guitars and keyboards! It’s a cool album, no doubt, but it’s hard to get away from the fact that it’s a hired hand trying to write his own ‘Saturnus album’ and he’s never going to hit the true magic unless he moves styles a bit and brings his own genius (if he has any) to the band. 
They’re my feelings on it anyway.

Veronika certainly isn't the same calibre as Paradise, but I still stylistically prefer it to Martyre. It feels like a less inspired evolution from their original formula, rather than the detour they took on Martyre with stripping the death metal out in favor of a lot more gothic metal. I will acknowledge that I need to spend more time with Martyre since I've listened to it the least out of their albums, but I usually play it right after Paradise, and it sounds really lackluster in comparison. Maybe listening to it solo without the debut on my mind will help.

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Kim Larsen is to Saturnus what Chris DeGarmo was to Queensrÿche - the X factor who took the good to great. Having said that, all their output is astonishingly good imo.

Martyre is their least played full length disc for me. It’s just never clicked. I’d rate them thus:

Paradise
Veronika
Saturn
Martyre
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Kim Larsen is to Saturnus what Chris DeGarmo was to Queensrÿche - the X factor who took the good to great. Having said that, all their output is astonishingly good imo.

Martyre is their least played full length disc for me. It’s just never clicked. I’d rate them thus:

Paradise
Veronika
Saturn
Martyre


I can get behind that ranking scheme.

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Kim Larsen is to Saturnus what Chris DeGarmo was to Queensrÿche - the X factor who took the good to great. Having said that, all their output is astonishingly good imo.

Martyre is their least played full length disc for me. It’s just never clicked. I’d rate them thus:

Paradise
Veronika
Saturn
Martyre

 

 

For me it's:

For the Loveless

Martyre

Paradise

Saturn

Veronika 

Basically Thomas AG Jensen could talk and growl over a car alarm and I'd put it on repeat. That guy is amazing. 

EDIT: After doing some snooping around on Metal Archives, I discovered that between 'Martyre' and 'Veronika' three of the six members left, and between 'Veronika' and 'Saturn' all members changed except for the singer! Admittedly, one of those changes was to bring the old bass player back from the 'Martyre' era, but that fundamentally means that on 'Saturn in Ascension' it was Thomas with an entirely different band from the group that recorded the previous album. And of the 'classic line-up' that recorded the first three releases, only Thomas and the returning bass player remain. 

Doesn't mean the music has to suck (it doesn't, it's awesome), but it's an interesting dynamic. 

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For me it's: For the Loveless

Martyre

Paradise

Saturn

Veronika 

Basically Thomas AG Jensen could talk and growl over a car alarm and I'd put it on repeat. That guy is amazing. 

EDIT: After doing some snooping around on Metal Archives, I discovered that between 'Martyre' and 'Veronika' three of the six members left, and between 'Veronika' and 'Saturn' all members changed except for the singer! Admittedly, one of those changes was to bring the old bass player back from the 'Martyre' era, but that fundamentally means that on 'Saturn in Ascension' it was Thomas with an entirely different band from the group that recorded the previous album. And of the 'classic line-up' that recorded the first three releases, only Thomas and the returning bass player remain. 

Doesn't mean the music has to suck (it doesn't, it's awesome), but it's an interesting dynamic. 

 

 

 

For the Loveless is an interesting one. Starres is a standout but the rest are fairly ‘standard’ fair. However, the live version of Christ Goodbye is incredible.

 

FWIW, I think the singer swallowed 2 of the ‘Martyre’ members. Seen the size of him of late..... he’s ‘grown’ a little..

 

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For the Loveless is an interesting one. Starres is a standout but the rest are fairly ‘standard’ fair. However, the live version of Christ Goodbye is incredible.

 

FWIW, I think the singer swallowed 2 of the ‘Martyre’ members. Seen the size of him of late..... he’s ‘grown’ a little..

 

Yeah, he’s gone from slim to sumo. Ah well, we all get older. 

‘For your Demons’ on Loveless is one of the great acoustic songs in all doom/gothic metal. Oh man what a song. The lyrics, the violin. Perfect EP.

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Hey guys I just brought a saturnus album the Tb and ban was talking about  the one that came out in 1997 with the bonus dvd  
Paradise Belongs to You? Good on you buddy, hope you enjoy it. It's certainly not my favorite doom/death album, but it is excellent and essential for any fan of the style.

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[mention=8729]True Belief[/mention] and [mention=5429]BlutAusNerd[/mention] I just brought a saturnus album You two was talking about  the one that came out in 1997 with the bonus dvd  saying the best one I listening to one of there songs on youtube I can’t think of the name it’s the acoustic  turns into electric guitars towards the end 


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What would be your favourite death doom album(s)?
That's a long list, but off the top of my head:

dISEMBOWELMENT - Transcendence Into the Peripheral
Avernus - Sadness
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose the Swans
Winter - Into Darkness
Dusk - Majestic Thou In Ruin
Anathema - Serenades
Paramæcium - Exhumed of the Earth
Paradise Lost - Gothic
Morgion - Solinari
Mindrot - Dawning
Anhedonist - Netherwards
Ceremonium - Into the Autumn Shade

I know I'm missing a bunch, but that's a pretty good start.

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Well I finally put those iTunes vouchers I got for Christmyth to good use...
 
1349 - Beyond The Apocalypse
Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
Aldebaran - Embracing The Lightless Depths
Anata - Under A Stone With No Inscription
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
So much win.

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