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Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie


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thought I'd do something a little different and compare different incarnatins of the same band, so which do you guys think was better, the original Black Sabbath or Ronnie's version I love both versions of the band, but musically I think they were better with Ronnie and thats taking nothing away from Ozzy, a lot of his stuff was great too but Ronnie took things to a whole new level

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie Ronnie was a great singer whereas Ozzy isn't. He wasn't bad back in the 70's or even 80's, but his voice has gone pathetically downhill. I'd have gone to see the Dio/Sabbath reunion but I'd pass on Ozzy/Sabbath. Unless I was given free tickets.

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie Musically, aesthetically, and spirtually Black Sabbath with Ozzy will always be the benchmark for the band, belaying the detractors for the decent songs of Dio-era Sabbath they pale in comparison to anything off of Master of reality, Paranoid, the s/t, and Volume 4 though I've always seen Sabotage as a piece of crap. You just cant beat songs such as Children of the Grave, War Pigs, and Wheels of Confusion. As a singer, however, Dio will always be superior to Ozzy. It is however, a different matter entirely, how his voice interacts with Older Black Sabbath, some say he doesn't fit and I give credence to these claims and criticisms, but Ozzy's nasal tone just can't compete with that masterful voice of Dio's.

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie and one of the key reasons they got better after ditching Ozzy is because Geezer didn't have to do all the songwriting anymore, he had Ronnie who was an amazing songwriter, and yeah War Pigs, Children Of The Grave, and even Paranoid and Iron Man are good songs but come on Dio era Sabbath produced Heaven And Hell, Neon Knights, Children Of The Sea, Mob Rules need I go on?

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie I have to disagree with you (big surprise I know :D ) Dio was a terrible song writer. He wrote the same song for 30 years. "Before you can push it, first you must pull. You must crawl before you can walk." That's his entire writing scheme. I enjoy Dio as much as the next guy, I even saw him live over a decade ago (that sounds really weird to say), but as a lyricist he sucked.

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie It really is tough to decide because both versions produced some brilliant albums, the reason I think the RJD ere Sabbath was better (and not by much) is because from what I understand no one at the time thought Sabbath would survive without Ozzy, but Ronnie came in and just took everything to another level. with Ronnie Sabbath didn't just get an incredible voice they got someone who could write songs, who really knew how to work a crowd, and some one a hell of a lot more stable then Ozzy, Ronnie brought some professionalism into Black Sabbath, which in my view was lacking during the days of Ozzy

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Re: Black Sabbath w/ Ozzy VS Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie I think Gillan was better with Deep Purple but he did some good work with Sabbath, we could make it real interesting and compare every version of Black Sabbath, but even then I'd probably still say Ronnie and you'd probably still say Ozzy

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Sabbath with Ozzy for me, hands down. The only album with Dio I decided to own is "Heaven & Hell"...but after Children of the Sea, I'm ready to turn it off... Every Sabbath album with Ozzy kicks ass besides Technical Ecstasy in my opinion... BLACK SABBATH: 9/10 PARANOID: 10/10 MASTER OF REALITY: 9/10 VOL 4: 7/10 SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH: 8/10 SABOTAGE: 7/10 TECHNICAL ECSTASY: 3/10 NEVER SAY DIE: 6/10 = I'll take 59/80 through 8 albums any day. The Dio era just doesn't cut it for me...the strong sound of the blues in early Sabbath can never be beat...

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The great debate! 

For me it's definitely Black Sabbath with Ozzy that wins out. Those first 6 albums are amazing for me, musically, atmospherically and historically. Obviously 'Paranoid' is a brilliant album, but as others have mentioned, albums like 'Sabotage' are first class. Throw into the mix the understanding that they're practically inventing heavy metal and it's pretty hard to beat. I'm also a massive Ozzy solo fan, so I'm pretty biased. 

The Dio stuff is definitely awesome but apart from 'Heaven and Hell' it doesn't come close to the Ozzy material. Even 'Dehumanizer' doesn't live up to the hype. It also has a very strange drum sound - has anyone else noticed it? 

I love all Black Sabbath though and they're one of my favourite bands - I even love the Tony Martin era, but for me there is only one Sabbath, and it's got Ozzy Osbourne in it! 

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