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I guess so, if you're into mallcore and the Big 4.

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What the heck is "mallcore"? It's all metal/hard rock to me. Been listing to this stuff since '84 so yeah, I like that list and the "Big 4"

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What the heck is "mallcore"? It's all metal/hard rock to me. Been listing to this stuff since '84 so yeah, I like that list and the "Big 4"

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Mallcore is the pop/rock/hip-hop music sold as metal at mall outlets like Hot Topic to angsty teens, i.e. Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, etc... I'm not attacking you if you like it, but it's not metal and is mostly maligned by metal fans, hence the pejorative.

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Mallcore is the pop/rock/hip-hop music sold as metal at mall outlets like Hot Topic to angsty teens, i.e. Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, etc... I'm not attacking you if you like it, but it's not metal and is mostly maligned by metal fans, hence the pejorative.

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Gotcha. Just never heard that term. Personally I really don't care for so-called "sub genres" just metal/hard rock etc........
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Today I'm feeling like Black Label Society, Rage Against The Machine, Ministry, Venom and Annihilator 

21 hours ago, BlutAusNerd said:

Mallcore is the pop/rock/hip-hop music sold as metal at mall outlets like Hot Topic to angsty teens, i.e. Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, etc... I'm not attacking you if you like it, but it's not metal and is mostly maligned by metal fans, hence the pejorative.

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I understand that Korn, Slipknot etc isn't for everyone, but why do you not think that those bands classify as metal?

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The Haunted, Van Halen, Vader, Death and Bob Dylan

I've never enjoyed Slipknot or Korn, tho' I've been pleasantly surprised by a song or two but I'd think it would be safe to call them metal. Or else it will end up like today's politics where everything changes label every other minute. Miscalling will be inevitable in a revolutionary world.

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Today I'm feeling like Black Label Society, Rage Against The Machine, Ministry, Venom and Annihilator 
I understand that Korn, Slipknot etc isn't for everyone, but why do you not think that those bands classify as metal?
Because there is very little metal in their sounds. The songs are written in pop/rock structures with the rhythm/cadence of their vocal and guitar and vocal lines derived from hip-hop. About the only part culled from metal is the superficial "aggression" they display and a heavier guitar tone than you would usually hear in pop/rock.

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The Haunted, Van Halen, Vader, Death and Bob Dylan

I've never enjoyed Slipknot or Korn, tho' I've been pleasantly surprised by a song or two but I'd think it would be safe to call them metal. Or else it will end up like today's politics where everything changes label every other minute. Miscalling will be inevitable in a revolutionary world.


Pretty good list, it's been a while since I've spun The Haunted.

You're right, things are constantly mislabeled. "Nu-metal" was a marketing term created by mainstream music journalists to describe a new sound. The problem is that they, like most people, weren't familiar with what metal was, and only associated it with a few of its superficial characteristics.

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3 hours ago, audiophile said:

Got to see Avatar last year at Kattfest in OKC. Didn't know anything about them. I was pleasantly surprised.

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Yeah they are plying main stage download this year! Can't wait :)

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On 3/31/2018 at 2:19 PM, audiophile said:

What the heck is "mallcore"? It's all metal/hard rock to me. Been listing to this stuff since '84 so yeah, I like that list and the "Big 4"

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i have also been listening to metal since i was a child

and i consider Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, etc to be metal

i listen to a vast array of metal bands in various subgenres and I often experience my friends expressing a lot of judgment or exclusion towards certain groups and subgenres. I don't really have preferences like that and I don't really hold certain types of groups above or below others.

If the music is enjoyable that is enough for me. To me, metal is what I feel that it is, not what someone else tells me it is

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On 4/2/2018 at 4:38 AM, BlutAusNerd said:

Because there is very little metal in their sounds. The songs are written in pop/rock structures with the rhythm/cadence of their vocal and guitar and vocal lines derived from hip-hop. About the only part culled from metal is the superficial "aggression" they display and a heavier guitar tone than you would usually hear in pop/rock.

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You're right, things are constantly mislabeled. "Nu-metal" was a marketing term created by mainstream music journalists to describe a new sound. The problem is that they, like most people, weren't familiar with what metal was, and only associated it with a few of its superficial characteristics.

 

 

You could well be right, but I don't know where you're getting this information from. The first time I came across the term nu-metal was in about 1996 or so in magazines like Metal Hammer and Terrorizer, who definitely understood what metal is/was. 

I personally don't have a problem with characterising Slipknot and Korn as metal bands. Slipknot in particular. I'm no fan of the band, but it's very heavy and in some ways quite extreme. Metal's a pretty broad church. HIM are love metal for crying out loud, but I'm happy to abandon my defence of any challenge to their metal status hahaha. 

The weirdest thing is that I used to love bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit in the 90s. I look back and really question my sanity. I wonder if future Requiem will look back at me today and hold myself in equal contempt. It is for this reason that I try to avoid judging others on their views and preferences, because I'm likely to have it wrong myself. 

By the way, on topic, my favourite bands list has a slight amendment. I've dropped My Dying Bride from number 5 and brought in Paradise Lost. MDB sort of irk me at the moment and their classics are being subsumed by their mediocre material which is ever pilling up. Paradise Lost have more albums that I love on percentage of releases. Paradise Lost it is!

1. Mayhem

2. Katatonia

3. Cradle of Filth

4. Septicflesh

5. Paradise Lost

 

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20 hours ago, Fraser said:

1. Coffinworm

2. Lycus

3. Saor

4. Black Royal 

5. Whiskey Myers (Been loving some nice chilled blues rock recently, must be all the sun)

 

Great call with Saor. Amazing music. 

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20 hours ago, flesheater said:

1. Dark Funeral / 2. Immortal / 3. Marduk / 4. Burzum / 5. Mayhem

This list pleases me greatly. Would love to hear your thoughts about these bands in the black metal forum. You have excellent taste. 

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On 7/15/2018 at 3:22 PM, TilDeathDoUsBarf said:

1. Obscura

2. Gigan

3. Noisear

4. Origin

5. Evoken

 

Love Obscura and Evoken. Never heard of Noisear though. I should look them up soon.

 

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On 7/16/2018 at 4:39 PM, Midi said:

Love Obscura and Evoken. Never heard of Noisear though. I should look them up soon.

 

Yeah, Noisear are a fucking awesome grind band, fucking awesome riffs and a lot of fun stuff going on.  Like Insect Warfare but quirkier and with riffs that could be in Ripping Corpse songs!

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As far as newer bands, Ghost, Gojira, American Satan soundtrack, new Behemoth (not new, but new material I suppose), and Infant Annihilator.  

On 7/14/2018 at 6:49 AM, Requiem said:

This list pleases me greatly. Would love to hear your thoughts about these bands in the black metal forum. You have excellent taste. 

Ambient beauty.  I would add anything by Enslaved and Emperor as well!

On 4/1/2018 at 2:37 PM, Lurrbabar said:

The Haunted, Van Halen, Vader, Death and Bob Dylan

I've never enjoyed Slipknot or Korn, tho' I've been pleasantly surprised by a song or two but I'd think it would be safe to call them metal. Or else it will end up like today's politics where everything changes label every other minute. Miscalling will be inevitable in a revolutionary world.

I used to host a metal video show in the early 00's and got to interview The Haunted.  Peter Dolving was fucking HILARIOUS!  I kept in contact with him for a while afterward.

As far as newer bands, Ghost, Gojira, American Satan soundtrack, new Behemoth (not new, but new material I suppose), and Infant Annihilator.  

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