What's on your mind?

[AlSymerz]

9 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Just a quiet word.

EELS ARE IN THE GRAND FINAL AND FUCK YOUSE ALL!!

Aahhhh but will they be injected with aniseed, cut up and used as bait?

Having just had a public holiday for a dead queen and a public holiday for a stupid parade of aerial ping pong players floating up a river, I'm not even sure what day it is today. But if we have a football match here today that means Gentleman Ball has their big game next week which means the Big Race is only 2 weeks away.

Hmm I remember when the trifecta of those three sporting events actually meant something.

Go whichever teams plays the EELS!!

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

Yes Bathurst isn’t far behind the AFL Grand Final is it? Speaking of which I just hope it’s a close game for once, and I don’t really care who wins though.

[AlSymerz]

I think it's the week after the NRL GF. It's been a long time since I religiously followed it but from memory before they fucked around with the dates, and the V8's in general, it was weekend after NSW's public holiday (Monday off to recover from the GF) and the weekend of daylight savings in the eastern states.

I don't care who wins today, I've got a truck load of soil to move this weekend, but run away games for such big matches are boring.

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

Bathurst really is the only V8 race I watch these days to be honest, and this will probably be the last year I do with the Commodore being replaced from next year onwards by some shitty American car.

[AlSymerz]

I used to watch the Touring cars most races until the Holden/Ford control car BS got involved and I watched every Bathurst in it's entirety from the late 70's until about 2005. My dad used to work in Murray Cater's pit for the Sandown races in the early 80's so the Sandown/Bathurst races were always a family get together for us. I do tune into Bathurst now days, but it's the kind of race I watch the start of, watch the highlights of during the day, then try to catch the last hour or so before dinner. I don't know the all driver's names like I once used too and I really don't like the commentary team these days.

[RelentlessOblivion]

It’s not as good these days, the Lowndes/Skaife/Ambrose rivalry was peak Motorsport for me.

[Thatguy]

5 hours ago, KillaKukumba said:

Go whichever teams plays the EELS!!

I re-iterate.

Fuck youse all.

[AlSymerz]

9 hours ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

Speaking of which I just hope it’s a close game for once,

Looking at the score on the 6pm news, doesn't look like you got that hope.

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I re-iterate.

Fuck youse all.

And you wonder why I can't support the Eels!

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

Nope, it was a cat-astrophe for Sydney today.

[AlSymerz]

I heard people on the news saying that Sydney lost because Buddy didn't fire. I hate to tell them but if they got all the way to the Grand Final and still rely on only one person in a team of 18 to fire in order to win they didn't deserve to be there.

I suppose thatguy will now be able to tell us who the Feels play in the NRL GF next week. I wonder if they too can be beaten by such a margin it was like they didn't show up!!

Here doc I'll help you out with a response....

16 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Fuck youse all.

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

A forward is only ever as good as his midfield, and when one man wins more clearances than your entire midfield combined you’re probably not going to be pleased with the outcome of the game. I guess I’ll have to hope next year’s grand final is the closest one, and no doubt be disappointed yet again because for whatever reason AFL grand finals always seem to be massive blow outs. 

[Thatguy]

3 hours ago, KillaKukumba said:

Here doc I'll help you out with a response....

20 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Fuck youse all.

And in addition to that, when the Eels win I will bore you all with a player by player ratings and commentary.

Or not.

Thatguy is very excited and nothing anyone can say will change that. 

 

[AlSymerz]

Well who the fuck are they playing???

I need to know who to barrack for.

[RelentlessOblivion]

There’s something fishy going on in that game I tell ya…

[AlSymerz]

As long as Doc gets the FEels he'll be okay.

 

Holy shit that Optus data breach is a fucking doozy. It appears it wasn't even a cyber attack or a hack, it appears from sources looking into it that they left the back door open and welcomed the person in. Or in slightly more technical terms they left a back end account unprotected by even a simple password. 10 million effected people with licence numbers, email addresses and personal details leached from the company. More than enough information about each person to start up fake accounts with just about any company leaving the majority of the 10 million accounts facing the possibility of having their identity stolen.

No doubt there will be a fall guy at Optus if current information is true, but Optus as a company certainly shouldn't get away from this without a massive fine.

[RelentlessOblivion]

2 hours ago, KillaKukumba said:

As long as Doc gets the FEels he'll be okay.

 

Holy shit that Optus data breach is a fucking doozy. It appears it wasn't even a cyber attack or a hack, it appears from sources looking into it that they left the back door open and welcomed the person in. Or in slightly more technical terms they left a back end account unprotected by even a simple password. 10 million effected people with licence numbers, email addresses and personal details leached from the company. More than enough information about each person to start up fake accounts with just about any company leaving the majority of the 10 million accounts facing the possibility of having their identity stolen.

No doubt there will be a fall guy at Optus if current information is true, but Optus as a company certainly shouldn't get away from this without a massive fine.

Surely a class action suit against them too. Has got to be the worst lapse in cyber security this year.

[AlSymerz]

It's quite possible. I'm not sure what legal ground people have if their identity is stolen using the data Optus gave up, not even sure it could be proven to have been Optus' data but there must be some grounds for legal action against such incompetence.

It does make one wonder how close any other large telco, bank or utility is to becoming the next victim of such incompetence.

[RelentlessOblivion]

Balance of probability is a reasonably low bar to clear, either breach of contract or negligence would be the legal remedies. Optus could argue voluntary assumption of risk as a defence but I doubt the court would find in their favour. The reasonable person wouldn’t be aware of the risk their data could be stolen.

[AlSymerz]

If it's proven that they left the back door open would it be negligence though? A full blown negligence charge could bring both civil and criminal charges couldn't it?

 

[RelentlessOblivion]

It would still be negligence for failing to ensure proper security measures were in place. Think of it like this if the council is responsible for ensuring proper signage at a lake advising people of low water levels and failed to do so, are you then go water skiing on said like and enjoy yourself because the water isn’t deep enough to do so safely the council is responsible as they have been negligent in failing to provide appropriate signage.  Injure, dammit Siri.

[AlSymerz]

So there is probably a good reason why Optus will call in the feds, get them to blame some hacker, then cop a government fine for the breach, a fine that probably wont go more than $5M, rather than get caught in a negligence case.

 

[Dead1]

21 hours ago, KillaKukumba said:

As long as Doc gets the FEels he'll be okay.

Holy shit that Optus data breach is a fucking doozy. It appears it wasn't even a cyber attack or a hack, it appears from sources looking into it that they left the back door open and welcomed the person in. Or in slightly more technical terms they left a back end account unprotected by even a simple password. 10 million effected people with licence numbers, email addresses and personal details leached from the company. More than enough information about each person to start up fake accounts with just about any company leaving the m

58 minutes ago, KillaKukumba said:

So there is probably a good reason why Optus will call in the feds, get them to blame some hacker, then cop a government fine for the breach, a fine that probably wont go more than $5M, rather than get caught in a negligence case.

 

 

 

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So there is probably a good reason why Optus will call in the feds, get them to blame some hacker, then cop a government fine for the breach, a fine that probably wont go more than $5M, rather than get caught in a negligence case.

 

 

As one of their customers who got screwed over by this, I hope the CEO, CIO and tech guys involved do the honourable thing old school Japanese style.  

 

[AlSymerz]

Back when I had two phones one of them was an Optus connection but I think it was prior to the 2017 date. I haven't received any email suggesting my details were involved.

I would reckon the CEO has to go sooner or later, even the tears she shed during the press conference aren't enough to save her. Apparently the tech 'responsible' (or thrown under the bus) has apparently been stood down, but this isn't the sort of thing one person is responsible for no matter who actually left the door open.

[RelentlessOblivion]

I think if federal police are involved it doesn’t necessarily rule out negligence, but makes breach of contract much easier to prove. Either way I don’t think Optus are getting out of this without a serious restructuring of the company, some pretty serious fines and pants in civil lawsuits, and possibly lasting damage to the brand. Payouts, damn speech to text is way off today.

[Dead1]

1 hour ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

It would still be negligence for failing to ensure proper security measures were in place. Think of it like this if the council is responsible for ensuring proper signage at a lake advising people of low water levels and failed to do so, are you then go water skiing on said like and enjoy yourself because the water isn’t deep enough to do so safely the council is responsible as they have been negligent in failing to provide appropriate signage.  Injure, dammit Siri.

This is Australia.  The whole legal system is based around creating confusion to avoid responsibility, accountability and transparency.

 

Remember our banking system was found to be corrupt and yet they barely got a slap on the wrist.

 

Or when a large number of nursing homes were found to be abusing or neglecting patients, the only outcome was a call to give them more money.

 

 

I had a complaint with Optus once because their Indian based call centre had openly ripped me off and blocked my service even though I was up to date with payments because they changed my service plan without telling me.  They were trying to get me to pay a couple of hundred bucks to have my account unblocked.  Even my Optus app said I was fully paid yet my service was blocked.

As their complaints division was useless,  I went to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman.  They rediverted me back to Optus (who assigned an Australian based worker to resolve my dispute which they did).

 

(EDIT: I stayed with Optus because of a lack of choice.  We had previously been with Telstra who were terrible and kept charging us hundreds of dollars for changes to plans they instigated or literally because the contract term lapsed and we didn't renew and which they every time withdrew after we called and complained).

 

Turns out that Optus, Telstra and iiNet sit on the board of the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman.  The TIO us funded by telecommunication industry (who pay a fee for any complaint made against the telco).

https://www.tio.com.au/about-us/board

 

So the regulatory authority is compromised from the start.  It has no real independent ability to do its job.  It certainly does not have an interest in improving the current system.  I would argue its goal is reducing impact of complaints on telcos.

 

This is the same for many industries who are self regulated:

https://treasury.gov.au/publication/taskforce-on-industry-self-regulation-final-report/chapter-3-types-of-self-regulation-in-consumer-markets-in-australia

Even when they're not self regulated, regulations are watered down drivel and regulators toothless tigers.

 

It's all just smoke and mirrors to create the illusion of consumer protections.  In reality Australian business is allowed to do pretty much as it pleases - as the banking, aged care and telecommunications industries prove.