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6 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

Next - or before that - comes music being produced by AI. There are no boundaries

Already doing it

https://futurism.com/a-new-ai-can-write-music-as-well-as-a-human-composer

They've created an AI called “Aiva” (Artificial Intelligence Virtual Artist) and taught it how to compose classical music

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1 hour ago, SurgicalBrute said:

They've created an AI called “Aiva” (Artificial Intelligence Virtual Artist) and taught it how to compose classical music

That's good for film music. It sounds fairly generic at the moment but to accompany epic visuals it would be fine and as good as half the film music out there.

and it'll get better of course.

 

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7 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

and it'll get better of course.

 

Knowing that it's gonna get better is part of what bothers me. We've been able to tell instinctively if something is artificially generated in this way for a long time, and I think that's given a lot of people this essentialist idea that AI stuff will always fall in the uncanny valley because there's something "special" about human creativity. I don't buy that. I suppose (per my earlier comments) I'm ambivalent about whether it's a "good" or "bad" thing on its own, but my feeling is that it's likely going to be used for mass-appeal commercialized pablum rather than as a collaborative tool to expand and refine our own understanding. Which sucks.

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Had the same feeling getting back to guitar lessons, even if it is mainly just to get myself back up to speed after not playing for a couple of years, should be starting vocals again soon as well. with any luck I might finally be able to start putting a band together so these riffs I’m sitting on don’t just go to waste. 

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On 9/16/2022 at 11:39 AM, JonoBlade said:

Next - or before that - comes music being produced by AI. There are no boundaries. How do we know that GG's goat metal isn't already produced by AI according to text cue "filthy war metal with HM2 tone and satanic lyrics... and also make the album cover with a goat and titties on it please" ?

Movie soundtracks would be an obvious task for AI.

DADA BOTS already did that. They sampled Meshuggah and ran it through a AI algorithm. It's not indistinguishable from the real thing but given that this i 5 years old....🤷‍♂️

 

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On 9/19/2022 at 9:13 AM, Sheol said:

DADA BOTS already did that. They sampled Meshuggah and ran it through a AI algorithm. It's not indistinguishable from the real thing but given that this i 5 years old....🤷‍♂️

 

It sounds like it generates all music all at once - which is a mess. AI would at least have to break down the instrumentation to individual parts and then build from that. At least for now. It's like trying to re-mix a song from a single stereo file. That is not possible yet.

A curious aspect of rock/metal perhaps compared to more synthetic music, is that having an AI part which could not be potentially played by a human would sound wrong. 

Years ago I remember my drummer being so proud he could play an apparently simple Godflesh drum beat that came from a drum machine. To me it sounded quite straight forward but he swore blind it was almost impossible for a human to play because of the conflicting tempos going on within it, even though it was basically just snare, kick, hi-hat.

In that example, most wouldn't notice how "inhuman" it was, but you would notice a blast beat at 1000bpm and just dismiss it as dumb and unlistenable. Likewise, a guitar solo that sweeps all over the fretboard in less time than even the fastest human would ever be able to achieve, is pointless.  Music at that point just becomes beeps and whistles and doesn't serve an artistic purpose anymore.

One could argue some examples within the realm of metal have already strayed into pointless beeps and whistles territory. Hello Dragonforce. But I assume it is still played by a human and theoretically reproduceable by a human - even if its been edited to take all the humanity out of it.

It is going to be quite some time yet before AI is considered to have the same musical/artistic value I reckon but eventually you are going to get "100% certified made by a human" on labelling or "Parental Advisory: robotic music"

Not sure where this is going to end. People have been afraid that their jobs will be replaced by robots for years. And ultimately, all will. 

At that point, even for someone that hates their job, what is your purpose?

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14 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

It sounds like it generates all music all at once - which is a mess. AI would at least have to break down the instrumentation to individual parts and then build from that. At least for now. It's like trying to re-mix a song from a single stereo file. That is not possible yet.

A curious aspect of rock/metal perhaps compared to more synthetic music, is that having an AI part which could not be potentially played by a human would sound wrong. 

Years ago I remember my drummer being so proud he could play an apparently simple Godflesh drum beat that came from a drum machine. To me it sounded quite straight forward but he swore blind it was almost impossible for a human to play because of the conflicting tempos going on within it, even though it was basically just snare, kick, hi-hat.

In that example, most wouldn't notice how "inhuman" it was, but you would notice a blast beat at 1000bpm and just dismiss it as dumb and unlistenable. Likewise, a guitar solo that sweeps all over the fretboard in less time than even the fastest human would ever be able to achieve, is pointless.  Music at that point just becomes beeps and whistles and doesn't serve an artistic purpose anymore.

One could argue some examples within the realm of metal have already strayed into pointless beeps and whistles territory. Hello Dragonforce. But I assume it is still played by a human and theoretically reproduceable by a human - even if its been edited to take all the humanity out of it.

It is going to be quite some time yet before AI is considered to have the same musical/artistic value I reckon but eventually you are going to get "100% certified made by a human" on labelling or "Parental Advisory: robotic music"

Not sure where this is going to end. People have been afraid that their jobs will be replaced by robots for years. And ultimately, all will. 

At that point, even for someone that hates their job, what is your purpose?

 

 

It makes the music even more pointless and background as the music will be even more generic than now.

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https://tyrannyoftradition.com/2011/07/11/george-clooney-agrees-to-buy-bones-of-bathory’s-quorthon-for-1-6-million-dollars/

Obviously satire about George Clooney buying Quorthorn's bones and Julia Roberts owning Dio's spine & jawbone, but all the people in the comments section apparently taking this seriously cracked me up.

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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Just a quiet word.

EELS ARE IN THE GRAND FINAL AND FUCK YOUSE ALL!!

If only you could have Mick Cronin back for one more match eh? You took one away from the Cowboys in a come from behind victory, but do you think your Eels can beat the Dragons in the finals this time? We're all on the edge of our seats Doc.

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5 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

If only you could have Mick Cronin back for one more match eh? You took one away from the Cowboys in a come from behind victory, but do you think your Eels can beat the Dragons in the finals this time? We're all on the edge of our seats Doc.

Mick couldn't cut it in the modern game, of course. Not fit enough and not strong enough. He had amazing skill though and played his last season with almost no vision in one eye after his team mate - Steve Ella I think - accidentally poked him in the eye. I don't think about those old days much - too long ago and the game has changed so much and I am all in for the current generation.

It's the Riff vs the Wabbits tonight to see who we play. Wabbits only hope is ultraviolence so we hope for many suspensions and  the kind of injuries that are not serious but keep the player out for a week or two. Also Latrell Mitchell -  Wabbits best and a great player - will hopefully have his usual brain snap and get sent off.

Whoever we play I will be there with my son and good will triumph over evil.

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