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Well said Alabaster. There are some albums that grab you on the first listen, rarely will one song do this however, speaking from experience there's a tremendous amount of music out there which deserves a fair opportunity. I'll give some examples from my own experiences: When I came to this forum I listened exclusively to thrash and traditional/NWOBHM, couldn't stand anything slower then Black Sabbath, and despised anything with harsh vocals. Over time, and thanks in large part to the patience of forumites like Iceni and BAN, I overcame these prejudices and as a result have greatly expanded both my knowledge of the metal genre and my album collection (thanks guys for taking the time to help a once and always metal n00b :D). I still don't like Burzum despite repeated opportunities and the appeal of Sludge still eludes my feeble brain. On the other hand favourites like Immolation, Death, Black Harvest (props to you FA for crafting such enjoyable music even if I have only heard Abject and Ingrate), and Carcass would likely never have reached my ears where it not for this forum and my willingness to approach recommendations with an open mind.

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To the OP: threads like these depress me a bit. The thing is' date=' if you're approaching new music with an idea that you want something [i']very specific, and you listen to a couple minutes of one track off of one album that a band put out in the course of (say) a twenty-year career, and decide that it just doesn't suit you, you're doing it wrong. You're setting yourself up to fail. I understand that there's a ton of music out there, and narrowing it down enough to find a starting place can be daunting, but your approach seems very consumeristic and inherently close-minded. It's much more rewarding to put in the time not only looking for new bands, but giving them a chance to grow on you. It takes effort, and repeated listening. Nearly all of my favorite bands didn't quite make sense to me at first, but there was something about them that kept me coming back until I got it. Believe me when I say it's worth it, I wouldn't be the person I am today without this music in my life.
I can get the first part of this but I think the second is a little harsh for someone starting out, anyway. I completely sympathize with looking for very specific music and I think it's worth helping get folks started with stuff that's similar - but maybe also has the elements of stuff they might not typically like. I got comfier with death growls after listening to Battlelore and Svartsot and have slowly but surely opened up to a much wider variety of harsh vocals, but finding those gateway bands was the way I did it.
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I can get the first part of this but I think the second is a little harsh for someone starting out' date=' anyway. I completely sympathize with looking for very specific music and I think it's worth helping get folks started with stuff that's similar - but maybe also has the elements of stuff they might not typically like. I got comfier with death growls after listening to Battlelore and Svartsot and have slowly but surely opened up to a much wider variety of harsh vocals, but finding those gateway bands was the way I did it.[/quote'] It's a good point, that people need "gateway" bands to help them get deeper into certain styles. I think the OP has already found them, though. I'm not trying to suggest that he needs to listen to heavier or harsher music. I think it's great that he's searching out new bands, but it seems like he has an unnecessarily dismissive attitude towards stuff that doesn't fit his sonic criteria. My main point is that a lot of metal is challenging music and I don't think he's giving it a proper chance. It's necessary to immerse oneself in it. Certainly not every band is going to be that demanding, or ultimately worth the effort, but you never know until you put the time in.
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Sure, and I agree. I think I said something similar about heaviness to someone else, saying I still really liked Spiral Architect and Twisted Into Form even though they weren't exactly full-bore overdriven. I'd wholeheartedly say it's important to revisit bands where you thought 'I'd like them but for X or Y' because maybe your tastes have evolved...I've probably become a massive fan of at least ten or twenty bands via that process. Hell, I recently enjoyed Colored Sands even though I don't remember liking it upon last listen.

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I feel like the "accent" of the guitars is the biggest problem on the stuff I find (regarding instrumentals)

Sure' date=' and I agree. I think I said something similar about heaviness to someone else, saying I still really liked Spiral Architect and Twisted Into Form even though they weren't exactly full-bore overdriven. I'd wholeheartedly say it's important to revisit bands where you thought 'I'd like them but for X or Y' because maybe your tastes have evolved...I've probably become a massive fan of at least ten or twenty bands via that process. Hell, I recently enjoyed Colored Sands even though I don't remember liking it upon last listen.[/quote'] I'll revisit the bands which catch me a bit, though I have a hard time finding what catches me. Right now its heavily Impera and Troldhaugen and these two down there on a medium low level TIF - Forbidden - will come back to them some time they're pretty near my liking, not excellently fitting but pretty near (qualify for 2nd request) Spirl A. - as well will come back sometime though they a bit hard on the ears with the instrumentals
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Are you kidding? You listen to just part of one song from one album and that's supposed to impart the feeling of the album and the band? Please don't think that I'm being deliberately mean or insulting but that does not make sense. Drawing on my own experiences again on first hearing the track "Dark Chilling Heartbeat" from Deceased's Supernatural Addiction I didn't like it, I still don't much care for that track, but after listening to some other songs the album started making more sense. On the other hand "Mother Man" from Atheist's Unquestionable Presence was enough to convince me I needed that piece of technical, jazzy, tech-death in my life. On both occassions I listened to other tracks from the records (all in full) to ensure I gave them the fairest possible opportunity to impress me.

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Are you kidding? You listen to just part of one song from one album and that's supposed to impart the feeling of the album and the band? Please don't think that I'm being deliberately mean or insulting but that does not make sense. Drawing on my own experiences again on first hearing the track "Dark Chilling Heartbeat" from Deceased's Supernatural Addiction I didn't like it' date= I still don't much care for that track, but after listening to some other songs the album started making more sense. On the other hand "Mother Man" from Atheist's Unquestionable Presence was enough to convince me I needed that piece of technical, jazzy, tech-death in my life. On both occassions I listened to other tracks from the records (all in full) to ensure I gave them the fairest possible opportunity to impress me.
I skip trough a few spots on the tracks and I'm pretty confident I know what I like, so it makes no sense to listen it whole. I see a few tracks which I find by the same artist so they are not neccesarily from the same album.
Knew this would be like a needle in a haystack :/
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Because what you aren't approaching the task with an open mind. Like I said previously I despised harsh vocals early on. It's all well and good knowing what you like now but that's not going to help you find new bands. At least it won't help you find bands which sound qualitively different to those you already know. We're trying to help you out here but it's extremely difficult when you're pretty much dismissing everything that's being put forward because it doesn't fall into your extremely narrow scope. Once again I hope I'm not coming off as an asshole but this is a futile endeavour if you're not going to approach our suggestions without prejudice. I can't stress that enough: you NEED to actually invest time and effort in most metal - particularly in the more extreme genres. You liked the folk metal so maybe just explore that a little more that's about all I can say right now.

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Hey I listened to the entirety of Darthrone's Transylvanian Hunger realizing through the entirety of the listen that this band sucked and so does most of the second wave of Black Metal, but I still listened to the whole thing.

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Well that's a little harsh don't you think? To say Darkthrone suck because Transilvanian Hunger, which frankly isn't anything special, didn't appeal to you? What's more to categorically state that most second wave BM sucks and leave it at that but boast about how you listened to one record all the way through? Sorry mate but if you're citing personal taste the emphatic "that sucks" isn't warranted. If not you ought to at least provide a reason as to why, in your opinion, all those bands are dreadful. For example I loathe slipknot - I find their music to be highly derivitive, predominantly based in pop with the most banal elements of hip hop and metal incorporated as an obvious attempt to reach a transient audience ensuring perpetual pseudo-popularity and critical acclaim. I could just say they suck but it achieves nothing. Giving reasons allows for further discussion.

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Hey I listened to the entirety of Darthrone's Transylvanian Hunger realizing through the entirety of the listen that this band sucked and so does most of the second wave of Black Metal' date=' but I still listened to the whole thing.[/quote'] Perhaps Darkthrone just aren't for you, I personally love Darkthrone.
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I spent all yesterday listening to Burzum, Darkthrone, and Mayhem, trying to find something that I may have missed when I listened to the material in the past, and still couldn't find anything. The monotonous tone, lack of musicianship, and overall aesthetic bores me. The first wave didn't because mostly those were thrash and power metal bands that had black overtones, and they cared about actually putting out really good material, and not being married to a silly and frankly unsavory aesthetic like what came out of Norway. You never see Death Metal bands taking themselves that seriously.

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Because what you aren't approaching the task with an open mind. Like I said previously I despised harsh vocals early on. It's all well and good knowing what you like now but that's not going to help you find new bands. At least it won't help you find bands which sound qualitively different to those you already know. We're trying to help you out here but it's extremely difficult when you're pretty much dismissing everything that's being put forward because it doesn't fall into your extremely narrow scope. Once again I hope I'm not coming off as an asshole but this is a futile endeavour if you're not going to approach our suggestions without prejudice. I can't stress that enough: you NEED to actually invest time and effort in most metal - particularly in the more extreme genres. You liked the folk metal so maybe just explore that a little more that's about all I can say right now.
Well the bold part is pretty much true lol But it's hard to listen to those sounds that's why I search for specific elements, aigh't not all elements have to be there but I, myself, don't hear not even 1 element similar to those bands I listen to :S the Metal Evolution: Extreme Metal documentary itself says it's hard to listen to xd. During that docummentary yesterday I liked the growls at the start 00:55 I believe. Than I searched and found out it's Vader, a band whose instrumentals just go on my nerves because how ((can't be sure of the reason so here are a few options who are not necessarily! true)) 1. it sounds too distroted 2. it doesn't sound clean enough 3. it sounds deep or the opposite of deep either way it's one of those on a very high level (can't tell the difference). But aight I still listened to a playlist with them, it's getting better. I always love folk metal and it's subgenres, don't really have to explore, haven't found a band I hate there lol :D P.S. I didn't post that thing bout Darktrone if you haven't noticed (even though I just checked them and don't like them, decent instrumentals though, but I hate doom and black)
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I spent all yesterday listening to Burzum, Darkthrone, and Mayhem, trying to find something that I may have missed when I listened to the material in the past, and still couldn't find anything. The monotonous tone, lack of musicianship, and overall aesthetic bores me. The first wave didn't because mostly those were thrash and power metal bands that had black overtones, and they cared about actually putting out really good material, and not being married to a silly and frankly unsavory aesthetic like what came out of Norway. You never see Death Metal bands taking themselves that seriously.
I dunno mate Glen Benton takes himself far more seriously then most black metal musicians and he's even more rediculous. It's a taste thing and I can appreciate that. It just irks me when people say stupid things like 'that sucks' when the point can be made far more effectively simply by stating what they don't like about a particular band, album, or genre/sub-genre/movement. Personally I enjoy a great deal of second wave BM bands including Mayhem and Darkthrone. I enjoy the bombastic nature of BM and the sinister atmosphere.
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Well the bold part is pretty much true lol But it's hard to listen to those sounds that's why I search for specific elements, aigh't not all elements have to be there but I, myself, don't hear not even 1 element similar to those bands I listen to :S the Metal Evolution: Extreme Metal documentary itself says it's hard to listen to xd. During that docummentary yesterday I liked the growls at the start 00:55 I believe. Than I searched and found out it's Vader, a band whose instrumentals just go on my nerves because how ((can't be sure of the reason so here are a few options who are not necessarily! true)) 1. it sounds too distroted 2. it doesn't sound clean enough 3. it sounds deep or the opposite of deep either way it's one of those on a very high level (can't tell the difference). But aight I still listened to a playlist with them, it's getting better. I always love folk metal and it's subgenres, don't really have to explore, haven't found a band I hate there lol :D P.S. I didn't post that thing bout Darktrone if you haven't noticed (even though I just checked them and don't like them, decent instrumentals though, but I hate doom and black)
Alright Vader are on the more extreme side of death metal which would be a stretch for someone not yet able to tolerate such bands. If you're serious about sinking your teeth into death metal I'd recommend bands like Possessed, Atheist, Cynic (early days), Arch Enemy's Stigmata, Enforsaken, Dark Tranquillity through to about Skydancer, and branch out from there. Obituary have more of that mid-tempo vibe but John Tardy's vocals can be off-putting. Arsis' early work (United In Regret, A Celebration Of Guilt, and A Diamond For Disease) also have more melodic tendencies but fall into the realm of technical death metal which can be problematic since the genre is rife with overly flashy musicianship, poorly structured songs, and the better practitioners often fall on the heavier side like Cryptopsy (yeah I'd avoid them until you're properly keen on death metal...even I can't make out the vocals on None So Vile)
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Ehh. I actually think Slaughter of the Soul was kind of a fluke for At the Gates. I don't really like their work from before or their recently released work after they reformed. Is all kind of bland. They aren't like In Flames(pre-Clayman) and Dark Tranquility that consistently put out really good to great material after their break through albums. I still love DT. I have yet to listen to find a bad album among their discography.

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Not a bad idea. Necroticism falls into that category as well featuring Carcass' classic goregrind sound while bringing more of the melodic elements that became prominent on Heartwork. As with Cryptopsy it's probably best not to explore the goregrind/grindcore/pornogrind/powerviolence scene just yet though.

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Ehh. I actually think Slaughter of the Soul was kind of a fluke for At the Gates. I don't really like their work from before or their recently released work after they reformed. Is all kind of bland. They aren't like In Flames(pre-Clayman) and Dark Tranquility that consistently put out really good to great material after their break through albums. I still love DT. I have yet to listen to find a bad album among their discography.
Damage Done onwards appeals less with each listen but I'm with you on DT before then - super consistent band.
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