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Never been a fan of the music, nor the "look at how weird and disturbed I am" schtick. Bands who focus on image tend to turn me off, call me crazy, but I prefer my musicians to focus on the music. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
I can agree, music is all I really go to shows for as well. I've only seen him live once, but it wasn't as wild as previous shows he's done. Never cared for any of that stage stuff he does, but that's just how he likes to express himself. Not like he's the first artist that likes to have musical visionaries about their prospectives. There's nothing wrong with image, some people like an all round art show with lots to see and hear, but it's not for everyone. That's the interesting thing about art, one person's masterpiece is another's disasterpiece.
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I heard quite the opposite actually' date=' that he's a whiny asshole and not very nice to his fans. But then again, wild mood swings do come along with being a junkie. And I don't find him creepy, just ugly.[/quote'] Well any celebrity or person for that matter can be a complete asshole, especially at the wrong time. Somebody being nice all the time just doesn't seem healthy. I don't know about previous bad experiences people have had, but it doesn't always end up like that. He was at least cool at meeting I went to. Maybe he was more prepared for it. And needless to get into the endless list of ugly rockstars, I guess some like to try emphasize the 'beauty' within 'ugliness,' it is possible.
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Well any celebrity or person for that matter can be a complete asshole' date=' especially at the wrong time. Somebody being nice all the time just doesn't seem healthy. I don't know about previous bad experiences people have had, but it doesn't always end up like that. He was at least cool at meeting I went to. Maybe he was more prepared for it. And needless to get into the endless list of ugly rockstars, I guess some like to try emphasize the 'beauty' within 'ugliness,' it is possible.[/quote'] I've seen bands that are pretty cool with their fans and others that are total dicks. I suppose after a grueling show some don't want to be bothered but that does come with the territory of being a celebrity. That's cool you had a good experience in meeting him. I've never been a fan of his. And I suppose as the saying goes, beauty is in the eye......but with some it may require alcohol or a blindfold.
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I can agree' date=' music is all I really go to shows for as well. I've only seen him live once, but it wasn't as wild as previous shows he's done. Never cared for any of that stage stuff he does, but that's just how he likes to express himself. Not like he's the first artist that likes to have musical visionaries about their prospectives. There's nothing wrong with image, some people like an all round art show with lots to see and hear, but it's not for everyone. That's the interesting thing about art, one person's masterpiece is another's disasterpiece.[/quote'] I have seen some great live performances that involved visual elements that couldn't be translated on album, but in the case of guys like Manson, the music just seems to be a vehicle for distributing the image. The music just sounds like more of an afterthought, giving them an excuse to dress up and go on stage, which seems like the real motivation. I could be wrong, but it's shallow and banal enough that this would be my assumption, and also that most people know who Manson is, but can't recall his songs or name anyone in his band. It's also worth mentioning that most people who have heard his music, myself included, feel that the cover songs he does are better than his originals (not to the point of enjoyment for me), which says a great deal about his songwriting. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I have seen some great live performances that involved visual elements that couldn't be translated on album' date=' but in the case of guys like Manson, the music just seems to be a vehicle for distributing the image. The music just sounds like more of an afterthought, giving them an excuse to dress up and go on stage, which seems like the real motivation.[/quote'] I'd say Rob Zombie's affected by this malaise as well.
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I have seen some great live performances that involved visual elements that couldn't be translated on album, but in the case of guys like Manson, the music just seems to be a vehicle for distributing the image. The music just sounds like more of an afterthought, giving them an excuse to dress up and go on stage, which seems like the real motivation. I could be wrong, but it's shallow and banal enough that this would be my assumption, and also that most people know who Manson is, but can't recall his songs or name anyone in his band. It's also worth mentioning that most people who have heard his music, myself included, feel that the cover songs he does are better than his originals (not to the point of enjoyment for me), which says a great deal about his songwriting. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
Yeah, it seems this way on stage at least, stage gimmicks are not my biggest interest. But I wouldn't say they're just for the sake of dressing up, there is some kind of meaning in it being portrayed that corresponds to the music. If you're not into the music initially, the imagery won't make any sense. Another guy in drag, that's all it will look. I see what he's doing, but it's not a necessity for me. I like it better when he wears less makeup as well as his paintings more to his stage work and videos. They carry more distinction, value and vibrance. They're not for everyone though. I think the history of his success and reviews may beg to differ on his songwriting abilities. There's only three covers he did that I like (Sweet Dreams, Rock n' Roll Nigger and Personal Jesus). He's a very good lyricist, but it's not meant to be sung with more complex music and greater band dynamics. Sometimes something simple and straight forward is all a listener needs for a certain moment. Whole history of oldies will show this. Not everything needs to be so diversive and complex to be good. He's really the only one in his category I like. Lyrics are usually a secondary for me and I can't understand most of the other bands. Fortunately the music will compensate.
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