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2 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Also Doc, not to be a dick but while we're on the subject of grammar... the end punctuation (your final period/full stop there after 'Doorways.' for instance) is supposed to come inside of the quotation marks, not outside. A lot of people make that mistake though. I'd probably even say most people get that wrong.

Having commas and periods always inside the quotation marks is an American rule. British style guides differ. I find myself putting them outside unless the punctuation is part of the quote. The serial comma is another debatable one, more common here in the states. In the end a lot of those decisions come down to individual publishers' house styles.

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9 minutes ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Having commas and periods always inside the quotation marks is an American rule. British style guides differ. I find myself putting them outside unless the punctuation is part of the quote. The serial comma is another debatable one, more common here in the states. In the end a lot of those decisions come down to individual publishers' house styles.

Well then I stand corrected. I did not realize that so many of these little details differed by country. Would be nice if they could get together and standardize (or standardise) these things. Not even the spelling so much as the punctuation. English punctuation should be universal.

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2 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Well then I stand corrected. I did not realize that so many of these little details differed by country. Would be nice if they could get together and standardize (or standardise) these things. Not even the spelling so much as the punctuation. English punctuation should be universal.

I'm kind of agnostic about it. I don't have a problem with those kinds of differences as long as whatever I'm reading is internally consistent and doesn't suffer from unintentional ambiguity. 

NP: Ad Nauseam - Imperative Imperceptible Impulse

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7 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Also Doc, not to be a dick but while we're on the subject of grammar... the end punctuation (your final period/full stop there after 'Doorways.' for instance) is supposed to come inside of the quotation marks, not outside. A lot of people make that mistake though. I'd probably even say most people get that wrong.

 

Ha. I know what is 'correct' with the quotation marks but I don't care and do what I feel at the time. It doesn't matter to reading aloud or comprehension. The placement of commas often does...but I am not a pedant about any of this. Just a bit of gentle dickery for practice and for something to say about an otherwise unremarkable album.

4 hours ago, FatherAlabaster said:

I'm kind of agnostic about it. I don't have a problem with those kinds of differences as long as whatever I'm reading is internally consistent and doesn't suffer from unintentional ambiguity. 

I agree. That comma just looks dumb though to my eye. But there are  -  of course -  usage differences between English speaking countries.

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And then there was music. I regret opening the grammar can of worms.

CLASS TRAITOR - Calving. Short and fairly sweet.

SYLVAN AWE - Transcend. Good to pretty damn good.

And NP - back at last to WORM - Foreverglade. Thatguy's verdict remains  - good.

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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Just a bit of gentle dickery for practice

Maybe practice the gentle dickery on the wife. Bring your A game to the board. 

 

Listening to the sounds of 4 sugared up little kids bouncing off the walls. Fucking glad it's almost bedtime. Even gladder I only have to bring one of them little shits back with me. Might put some headphones on in a bit and listen to the albums Marko posted, try to relax. Will start the 20 hour drive home tomorrow. Will reach our destination sometime the night after next.

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17 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Yes Doc but I was taught that the comma before 'and' is optional. So it is not considered incorrect so much as it's just not necessary. I generally leave it out myself. Stop being more pedantic than I.

Also Doc, not to be a dick but while we're on the subject of grammar... the end punctuation (your final period/full stop there after 'Doorways.' for instance) is supposed to come inside of the quotation marks, not outside. A lot of people make that mistake though. I'd probably even say most people get that wrong.

And I guess I'd like to take the opportunity at this time to address the spelling and grammatically challeged among our ranks. 

There

Their

They're

Not looking to embarrass anyone by mentioning any names, but I implore you one and all: please learn the difference people and change your writing habits accordingly. It does my head in when I see people type 'there' when they actually meant to say 'their' or 'they're.' It's really not that complicated to keep the 3 of them straight. This has been a Goatmaster public service announcement. Rock on 🤘

Why use 'Doorways' and not double quotation marks? That's how I've learnt it "Doorways".

Putting the fullstop inside the quotation makes no sense, since I'm putting a stop to the whole sentence, not just the word I'm quoting?

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3 hours ago, Sheol said:

Why use 'Doorways' and not double quotation marks? That's how I've learnt it "Doorways".

Putting the fullstop inside the quotation makes no sense, since I'm putting a stop to the whole sentence, not just the word I'm quoting?

It would seem more intuitive to put the period after the quotation marks I agree. But I don't make the rules bro, I just follow them.

But yes, double quotation marks are of course correct. Some of us will sometimes use apostrophes in place of them just casually on the forum because we think it looks better or more streamlined or something. 

And there's no word learnt, it's learned. Haha, no I know, British English is so fucked. My wife always did that, put the T on the end of words in the past tense like that: burnt, learnt, spilt...I knew what she meant, but it just made her sound uneducated imho.

The worst is in British films when everyone is substituting F's and V's for the TH sound. That does my head in too, I have to turn it off sometimes if it's really bad. 

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On 4/19/2022 at 1:50 PM, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I love the Ramones, would definitely put them in my top 10 favorite and most listened to bands of all time. As far as non-metal bands go they'd be my clear #1. And I think I do have all (or almost all) of their albums. But to be quite honest I generally only listen to the first 4 records, and the 10th. I have a Playlist saved with all my favorite Ramones songs, 90% of which are from their first 4 albums, '76 - '78 when I was in high school. The other 10% are taken from Halfway to Sanity, their 10th album from 1987. I just really love that album. Even though I have all their other albums too, I would be OK just owning the first 4 + H to S because that's the bulk of what I listen to. Which is not to say there's nothing worthwhile to be found on their other albums because there is. But when I get that Gabba Gabba Hey feeling it's always those 70's albums I crave: Ramones, Leave Home, Rocket to Russia, Road to Ruin. That comp of yours is missing too many wonderful and essential tunes. I don't see how you can get a real feel for a band like The Ramones with just a couple of songs from each album.

OK, enough of commas and English Grammar.

I know you love Ramones and figured you'd chime in. You're more of a super fan than I am and I didn't like punk when I was young, but in high school I always liked the Ramones and Clash,  but I never owned their essential early albums until recently. I do remember owning end of the Century and Road to Ruin.

When I was dabbling in various punk artists, I looked for a good compilation and then more recently picked up their first four albums. I've done that for any number of artists. Yes, owning studio albums makes sense much  of the  time, but when looking at bands with large discographies, getting a comp is a good starting place. Then, I fill in the pieces. 

In this  case their entire discography is anthologized in order.  I'm not going to buy their albums after 1980. I'm probably not going to get End of the Century. But, there  are some individual tracks that are decent and work well on a playlist. Sometimes, I just want a shot of Ramones and I'm not going to listen to all four albums. That's where disc 1 works-covers their debut through End of the Century with 33 tracks. Other times, I'll choose the  individual album. 

Honestly for me, those first three albums are the most important and are largely interchangeable. I know there are differences in production, but like Motorhead, they had a template and stuck with it. The songs could be swapped from one album to the other without raising an eyebrow. 

By my count, disc 1 gives me :

Ramones S/T-6 tracks

Leave Home-7 tracks

Rocket to Russia-7

OK, so this is the holy trinity of early punk via Ramones. An entire disc might be nice, but 20 tracks hits a sweet craving for an album length listen. You can quibble about tracks that are cut, but its a comp, that's what happens and I think they get it mostly right with the important ones. 

Then, I get:

Road to Ruin-5 tracks

Rock and Roll High School film-2 tracks

End of the Century -5 tracks

Disc 2 isn't as strong, but it's still better than I would have expected with some songs I enjoy, even though they stray from their early formula. I'm not going to listen to all those later albums. 

The entire anthology presents an arc where they started and the progression to the end. It's a snapshot, not unlike any multi disc anthology-Judas Priests' Metalogy comes to mind-sort of a crash course through some highlights. 

Now, I'll go back and listen to the first 4 studio albums to compare.

  

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