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6 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I happen to love L7 but I've never thought of them as being part of either the alt rock or grunge scenes. They're a punk rock band from LA. While I know the names, I've never actually heard either PJ Harvey or Babes in Toyland. Which one do you think I'd like?

I'd take Ralf over Halford any day. And over those other two guys as well.

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That's awesome, my friend!  Glad to hear we have yet another musical preference in common.  I love all of those vocalists for different reasons.  Anselmo will always be my favorite, simply because I prefer the more gruff vocal style in general, and PanterA is my favorite band of all time.  But in terms of the upper-register clean vocals, Halford, Tornillo (in a different way), Scheepers, Sean Peck, and Ronnie Hemlin are all huge favorites for me.

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1 hour ago, JamesT said:

Glad to hear we have yet another musical preference in common.  I love all of those vocalists for different reasons.  Anselmo will always be my favorite, simply because I prefer the more gruff vocal style in general, and PanterA is my favorite band of all time.  But in terms of the upper-register clean vocals, Halford, Tornillo (in a different way), Scheepers, Sean Peck, and Ronnie Hemlin are all huge favorites for me.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a preference we have in common, but there was a time many years ago when I listened to stuff like that with clean vocals of the high-pitched variety. I never understood why people loved Halford's vox as much as they did considering how much they really grate on me. High-pitched vocals were never really something I loved even back in the day. But as a metalhead in the 80's they were ubiquitous and all but impossible to avoid. So even I'm gonna have some high-pitched guys I like better than others. Halford and Dickenson were dudes I've always rated lower than most. Not on the basis of a lack of talent, their voices just don't appeal to me. I always prefered guys like Biff, Klaus, Udo, Blitz and Beehler from Exciter. Um...Dio, Kai, Rhett, the redheaded dude from Fastway, and the dude from Grave Digger whose name escapes me. But then obviously preference in vocalists is a very personal and subjective thing. I would never argue with someone over which vocalists are better, we all like who we like, there's no right or wrong. I prefer the gruff vocal stye as well, so for my money Lemmy was the best 80's metal vocalist of all even though technically speaking he was a hack. Not gonna comment on your boy Phil, I've taken enough shots at the guy over the years. And he wasn't really the reason I disliked Pantera so much anyway, that would be Dime's songwriting and questionable note choices.

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3 hours ago, JonoBlade said:

10/10 same as AiH. Neither are technically perfect albums (and I wouldn't expect anyone else to understand 35 years after the fact why they are 10s) but both completely essential to my development.

That's definitely a big part of the reason I don't like Alice. I never heard it in '89 or even during the 90's, it was many years later in the 00's when I checked it out after seeing it mentioned several different places. Nostalgia counts for so much with these 35 year old records.

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6 hours ago, Innominate said:

The Dictators - Bloodbrothers

 

Til today I'd only ever heard the Dictators' first two albums, so I'm giving this 3rd one a shot right now, pretty cool. I was in high school when this came out in 1978 and Handsome Dick and Ross the Boss were getting a fair amount of space in the rock mags back then. And I was definitely intrigued, but I was a pretty broke teen (monetarily challenged) so I never could bring myself to risk the $5 to buy one of their albums until decades later.

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21 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I happen to love L7 but I've never thought of them as being part of either the alt rock or grunge scenes. They're a punk rock band from LA. While I know the names, I've never actually heard either PJ Harvey or Babes in Toyland. Which one do you think I'd like?

 

They probably split the difference. I know them from Hungry for Stink and the Beauty Process which Wikipedia tells me they were major labor releases with slash. So, I guess I discovered them in their mainstream era....still enjoyable albums with commercial alt rock sensibilities and a punk 'tude. 

20 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

What's up Doc? Two good ones on the same day?!? Dark Buddha and now Nigredo. You're on a roll baby!

Dark Buddha Rising? Six degrees of metal.  Time for some Waste of Space Orchestra. 

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Imperium Dekadenz - Into Sorrow Evermore, I thought I liked this band but this new one's a little dry. Not terrible, 30 minutes in I'd even say it's good, but just not compelling. Too commercial maybe? Hehe...not hateful or evil or lo-fi enough, that's what I meant to say. 6.5/10

 

2 hours ago, markm said:

They probably split the difference. I know them from Hungry for Stink and the Beauty Process which Wikipedia tells me they were major labor releases with slash. So, I guess I discovered them in their mainstream era....still enjoyable albums with commercial alt rock sensibilities and a punk 'tude. 

I believe the one before those two, Bricks Are Heavy was their 'breakout' album, but I'd say those 3 were their commercial peak yes. I have their 5 original albums but haven't heard the 2019 reformation one.

I saw a cool doco about them on Youtube some months back. Amidst the moderate commercial success they were having in the mid 90's they ultimately broke up in '99 because they just weren't making any money and could barely survive financially. Must really suck to have albums on the Billboard charts and tour the world and feel like you've finally "made it" but still not even be able to pay your rent in your late 30's.

I really don't hear any alt-rock here, they're just a punk rock band to me. But we all hear stuff differently. Maybe to some people alt rock and punk rock are basically the same thng or interchangeable terms.

Wikipedia is fucking stupid though, on the page for their S/T debut it talks about a "heavier grunge sound" dominating their later work. GTFOH who writes this shit? There's no such thing as a grunge sound, almost all of those grunge bands had their own unique sound. Seems there are ignorant people who will call just about any US rock band from the mid 90's 'grunge.'

L7 - Bricks Are Heavy, LA 1992

 

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