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You could say that's what makes it "proper" metalcore, as opposed to that other shit the kids have been doing. :D
Nah man, for something to qualify as metalcore, the split between metal and hardcore needs to be fairly even or, in other words, the sound has to be pretty much at the point where metal and hardcore meet imo. This seems to come in 2 very loose strands: the more melodic stuff like Kilswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, Bury Tomorrow, Trivium etc. and the 'harder stuff' like Converge, Hatebreed, TDEP, and maybe Sick Of It All. To my ears, that Ringworm album was essentially very heavy hardcore punk with some thrash influence.
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So you've listened to BTA? That comes across as a bit of a surprise.
Yes I've listened to them on occasion, its been a while though. Are you surprised because they are a Christian band? I don't have a problem with music that has a moral based message. I may not agree with it as much I do not agree with every message to everything I listen to. Sometimes I'm just enjoying the music itself as I don't always know what the hell is being sung lol I cannot recall of a time that I stopped listening to a song due to the lyrics, if the music was listenable.
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'The Voice of Love' by Crutch.

Yes I've listened to them on occasion' date=' its been a while though. Are you surprised because they are a Christian band? I don't have a problem with music that has a moral based message. I may not agree with it as much I do not agree with every message to everything I listen to. Sometimes I'm just enjoying the music itself as I don't always know what the hell is being sung lol I cannot recall of a time that I stopped listening to a song due to the lyrics, if the music was listenable.[/quote'] I was surprised more by the fact that you'd listen to a band with metalcore elements at all. Granted, a lot of the time they manage to make their breakdowns very good, but I wasn't sure whether you'd have gelled to the vocals. I know there are plenty of people perfectly content to listen to the less obviously Christian groups - like Sympathy and Lo-Ruhamah - so that didn't come across as a massive surprise.
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'The Voice of Love' by Crutch. I was surprised more by the fact that you'd listen to a band with metalcore elements at all. Granted, a lot of the time they manage to make their breakdowns very good, but I wasn't sure whether you'd have gelled to the vocals. I know there are plenty of people perfectly content to listen to the less obviously Christian groups - like Sympathy and Lo-Ruhamah - so that didn't come across as a massive surprise.
Or even the more obviously christian Harmony and 7Days. I'm with Mere on this one. If I enjoy the music I'm hearing the lyrics don't really matter although I actively try to avoid certain content.
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'The Voice of Love' by Crutch. I was surprised more by the fact that you'd listen to a band with metalcore elements at all. Granted, a lot of the time they manage to make their breakdowns very good, but I wasn't sure whether you'd have gelled to the vocals. I know there are plenty of people perfectly content to listen to the less obviously Christian groups - like Sympathy and Lo-Ruhamah - so that didn't come across as a massive surprise.
I try to keep an open mind and not limit myself to one type of sub-genre although I do enjoy or favor some styles more than others. If I like what I'm hearing then I'll keep listening no matter what it's labeled under. As for the vocals, they're alright. I don't mind them for a couple songs. I really need to give vocals more of a chance to grow on me instead of being quick to write a band off.
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'Your Body Is A Battleground' by Delain. Surprisingly nowhere near as stupid as the title suggests. It's actually a song about substance and medicinal abuse. Musically it's OK, the band seem to be slowly making their way back toward April Rain, which is good. I'm still waiting for them to write some proper riffs, but the melodic sense is enough to make me overlook that for now.

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Nah man' date=' for something to qualify as metalcore, the split between metal and hardcore needs to be fairly even or, in other words, the sound has to be pretty much at the point where metal and hardcore meet imo. This seems to come in 2 very loose strands: the more melodic stuff like Kilswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, Bury Tomorrow, Trivium etc. and the 'harder stuff' like Converge, Hatebreed, TDEP, and maybe Sick Of It All. To my ears, that Ringworm album was essentially very heavy hardcore punk with some thrash influence.[/quote'] Well, seeing as the metal elements in the first camp you mentioned are contrived at best, and at least half of the bands in the second camp accurately fit the label you proposed for Ringworm of hardcore with some metal influence, why would Ringworm for being supremely pissed off hardcore with thrash metal riffs? Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Oh' date=' this wonderful conversation again. I propose a sharp distinction between "good music" and "obvious shit". Guess where KSE and Trivium wind up? :D[/quote'] I concur. Henceforth, we will use the reflective property and refer to this shit as "shit". People are still entitled to like what they want, but it shall be called as it is. Thereby, metalcore's only definition will be that of Integrity, Ringworm, Converge, Gaza, Terror, Cursed, etc..., which will eliminate any confusion as to what metalcore is. Rejoice! Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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I concur. Henceforth, we will use the reflective property and refer to this shit as "shit". People are still entitled to like what they want, but it shall be called as it is. Thereby, metalcore's only definition will be that of Integrity, Ringworm, Converge, Gaza, Terror, Cursed, etc..., which will eliminate any confusion as to what metalcore is. Rejoice! Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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Well, seeing as the metal elements in the first camp you mentioned are contrived at best, and at least half of the bands in the second camp accurately fit the label you proposed for Ringworm of hardcore with some metal influence, why would Ringworm for being supremely pissed off hardcore with thrash metal riffs? Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
'Contrived' doesn't mean 'non-existent'. Obviously, the overtly commercial mix of melodeath and post-hardcore/modern screamo isn't to many people's taste here, but the metal's still definitely there, regardless of how it's incorporated. I think the metal in Converge, Dillinger and Hatebreed's sound is more than just a small influence. I'd actually argue it's closer to a 50/50 metal/hardcore ratio for them, whereas from the 1 Ringworm album I heard it was more like 70% hardcore, 30% thrash. But heh, what do I know? It's fucking awesome heavy music and that's all that matters to me.
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