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I'm too darn tired to express my thoughts in a delicate manner so here goes: I really, really hated 13. I thought it sounded lazy and uncreative. Like a band who just put out an album because they know fans will come in droves to buy it. I didn't hate it to the extent I did the new Darkthrone but that's like saying "Well I didn't get food poisoning quite as bad this time around" at the end of the day you've still got the shits for a week. I hope they're as good when you see them as when I saw them. They belted out the classics like it was the seventies all over again.

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She went vegan recently so now she's moralizing about animal rights on facebook which I don't really like buuut I won't stop listening to their music because of it.
That's still a darn sight better that that crapbag Duplantier supporting the Sea Shepherds and saying he doesn't care whether what they're doing is terrorism or not. I could still listen to Gojira but after they actively showed a Sea Shepherds logo in one of their videos in a positive light I'm assuming the whole band supports him as well. He can go get eaten by a bloody orca, the nitwit. Plenty of other great French metal to go 'round.
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That's still a darn sight better that that crapbag Duplantier supporting the Sea Shepherds and saying he doesn't care whether what they're doing is terrorism or not. I could still listen to Gojira but after they actively showed a Sea Shepherds logo in one of their videos in a positive light I'm assuming the whole band supports him as well. He can go get eaten by a bloody orca' date=' the nitwit. Plenty of other great French metal to go 'round.[/quote'] I really hate when 'famous' people abuse their popularity to impose their beliefs, habits and moral views. Be whatever you want to be, but don't rape everyone around you with it. And if they have to put it in lyrics, they can do it metaphorically, so that people can still listen to those lyrics without being abused by something they don't care about or is the complete opposite of their own points of view.
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I really hate when 'famous' people abuse their popularity to impose their beliefs' date=' habits and moral views. Be whatever you want to be, but don't rape everyone around you with it. And if they have to put it in lyrics, they can do it metaphorically, so that people can still listen to those lyrics without being abused by something they don't care about or is the complete opposite of their own points of view.[/quote'] I can't really agree, although I wish I could. Art should be an individually meaningful expression, and it should be up to the artist where to draw the line. Then it's up to you to decide whether or not you can enjoy their work. I assume you're talking about artists/musicians like Duplantier, rather than politicians or talking heads whose sole purpose is to inject their ideas into the culture. Our discussion about Varg comes to mind. As much as I have a hard time with someone's art, for whatever reason, if all they're doing is espousing a viewpoint - rather than directly harming people - I can't get behind censorship.
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I can't really agree' date=' although I wish I could. Art should be an individually meaningful expression, and it should be up to the artist where to draw the line. Then it's up to you to decide whether or not you can enjoy their work. I assume you're talking about artists/musicians like Duplantier, rather than politicians or talking heads whose sole purpose is to inject their ideas into the culture. Our discussion about Varg comes to mind. As much as I have a hard time with someone's art, for whatever reason, if all they're doing is espousing a viewpoint - rather than directly harming people - I can't get behind censorship.[/quote'] I'm talking about musicians, actors etc. I just don't like it. Yes, I know I can choose if I want to follow their work or not, but when they focus to much on spreading the word about whatever they stand for, they put their work in second place. I don't even mind if they do put their beliefs in a song. Or two songs. But not every damn song they make. It's like, ok, I get it, you are a insert word here, but stop being annoying about it. And I don't support censorship. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean somebody can't talk about it. The problem with Varg is that he did harm somebody :) But I never did like his music much so I him being a little bit crazy won't stand in the way of me enjoying his work :D
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I'm talking about musicians' date=' actors etc. I just don't like it. Yes, I know I can choose if I want to follow their work or not, but when they focus to much on spreading the word about whatever they stand for, they put their work in second place. I don't even mind if they do put their beliefs in a song. Or two songs. But not every damn song they make. It's like, ok, I get it, you are a [i']insert word here, but stop being annoying about it. And I don't support censorship. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean somebody can't talk about it. The problem with Varg is that he did harm somebody :) But I never did like his music much so I him being a little bit crazy won't stand in the way of me enjoying his work :D
At the same time however if someone's views are so important as to directly influence their art is it right that people demand said art be toned down? Any form of art can be offensive to someone. I would say it is better to be treated like adults, free to decide whether we appreciate an artform or not, then to be treated like children and told what is acceptable in art. p.s I make no distinction between art and music as I believe music is an artform just as paintings and sculptures are artforms.
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At the same time however if someone's views are so important as to directly influence their art is it right that people demand said art be toned down? Any form of art can be offensive to someone. I would say it is better to be treated like adults, free to decide whether we appreciate an artform or not, then to be treated like children and told what is acceptable in art. p.s I make no distinction between art and music as I believe music is an artform just as paintings and sculptures are artforms.
Like I said, just because I don't like or support something, it doesn't mean it has to be censored or not exists at all. I will decide if I want to have something to do with it or not. But I still can express my opinion about my liking or disliking it.
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Which is perfectly fine. We're free to like and dislike whatever we want. The point I failed dismally to make is that saying "yeah I get it you're X now stop talking about it" is a form of censorship. Censorship started because a group of people were offended by something. In the case of the PMRC the cause of this offense was something which, somewhat ironically, is now openly celebrated on global television.

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Which is perfectly fine. We're free to like and dislike whatever we want. The point I failed dismally to make is that saying "yeah I get it you're X now stop talking about it" is a form of censorship.
Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from criticism. Just because you might disagree with an artist's viewpoint or be sick of them banging on about it doesn't mean you automatically want to force them to stop expressing themselves.
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Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from criticism. Just because you might disagree with an artist's viewpoint or be sick of them banging on about it doesn't mean you automatically want to force them to stop expressing themselves.
And yet when groups of people who are all sick of the same thing get together it invariably does lead to censorship.
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