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too right :L i totally agree :P it seems that metal has at some point combined every single other genre that exists, never thought about it like that
I wanted to give a speech on it so I tried to see if there's anything metal hasn't borrowed from. So far, I see Sub-Saharan African folk music and (thank heavens) big band being just about the only things that haven't been done. But you've got Obscura and Symphony X for classical, Cynic, Gorod and Sickening Horror for jazz, bands innumerable for electronic, symphonic and folk, Therion and Xystus for opera, Diablo Swing Orchestra for swing...funny, the only things that don't have much an influence are pop and rap. Wonder why...
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I wanted to give a speech on it so I tried to see if there's anything metal hasn't borrowed from. So far, I see Sub-Saharan African folk music and (thank heavens) big band being just about the only things that haven't been done. But you've got Obscura and Symphony X for classical, Cynic, Gorod and Sickening Horror for jazz, bands innumerable for electronic, symphonic and folk, Therion and Xystus for opera, Diablo Swing Orchestra for swing...funny, the only things that don't have much an influence are pop and rap. Wonder why...
Pop, go with Porcupine Tree. Rap, some of Pain of Salvation and Beardfish's material apparently contains rap. Sub-Saharan African folk? Probably exists somewhere!
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Pop' date=' go with Porcupine Tree. Rap, some of Pain of Salvation and Beardfish's material apparently contains rap. Sub-Saharan African folk? Probably exists somewhere![/quote'] I'll have to add Amaranthe to the list of pop metal bands...it sounds like Beyonce joined a band that can't decide of it wants to be TesseracT or Delain. Singer looks almost exactly like Jennifer Lopez. I kinda suspected the band would suck when I saw a picture of them. The band itself is tolerable sometimes but the singer wrecks the whole thing. For that matter we could tack on Within Temptation's latest effort, it sounds just like Evanescence only a bit more poppy. As for Sub-Saharan African folk...I guess Skinflint did it but they did it really badly.
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It did irl, i sat about 50 cm away from him when i wrote it.
Usually rim shot is reserved for really stupid jokes that are still somewhat funny because they're so dumb. For example, there's this comedy with a talking baby doing stand-up comedy in front of his mother. He says: Don't worry, I'll be here all night...In fact, I'll be here for the next 18 years! THEN you get a rim shot. Because it was a punchline and it was stupid and funny. Epieth's joke would qualify for a groan though.
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Well, much like anything else, there are bands that play what they feel, and bands who ride trends. This is not to say that trends don't form that foster creativity, especially early on in any given scene when it explodes, but there will always be bands that deride the sound by focusing on the superficial elements and making sure that all of the boxes are checked on the checklist to make them fit into that sound, and their music has no purpose other than that. Unfortunately, metalcore has had the even larger problem of having some of those superficial elements fused with pop music to form a rather terrible trend of emo/pop punk bands, which seem to merit the label of "metalcore" for no more reason than that they use too much guitar distortion to receive radio play. Metalcore tends to get an unfairly bad reputation because of this, when there are plenty of good bands out there that aren't using some of those superficial elements to sell themselves to the Hot Topic generation. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

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Yeah. What he said. Plus the fact. Ban Now some bands are now adding. Dubstep. Too like I see stars. That is electrocore. Plus ban. some metalcore got. Shitty band names as well. Now a true metalcore. Band. I whould say is hatebreed. They have metal riffs plus Jamey jastas. Got a hardcore voice. Now another good one is agnostic. Front. And sworn emeny. Those guys. Got metal like riffs that's. Hardcore. With out the pop factor. Ban whould agree. Dubstep is just glorified video game music.

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I think Converge, Isis, Neurosis, Dillinger Escape Plan, At The Drive-In, Fit For An Autopsy, As The Sun Sets, Daughters, Swans, Napalm Death, Puritan, Fall Of Efrafa, Oroku, Disfear, and several other bands that aren't coming to mind at the moment all have some good, or in some cases great, material. Suffocation, Meshuggah and Pantera pulled influences from hardcore. More broadly, various forms of punk have been influencing metal for a long time. There are a bunch of popular bands who do make really shitty "core" music, but the hardcore influence isn't the problem.

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Of course, thrash gets half of its sound from hardcore punk, but it seems most metalcore bands nowadays are the same sellouts over and over again. Lyrics about failed relationships, overuse of breakdowns, pop sounding choruses. And the worst part, some of the fans flip sh*t when you try to express your opinion. By the way, yes, I do know Avenged Sevenfold's first two albums are metalcore albums. I typically don't listen to those albums.

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Of course, thrash gets half of its sound from hardcore punk, but it seems most metalcore bands nowadays are the same sellouts over and over again. Lyrics about failed relationships, overuse of breakdowns, pop sounding choruses. And the worst part, some of the fans flip sh*t when you try to express your opinion. By the way, yes, I do know Avenged Sevenfold's first two albums are metalcore albums. I typically don't listen to those albums.
The overuse of breakdowns is one of those superficial elements that these bands focus on, like the overuse of blast beats and brainless chuggy riffs in deathcore. I don't know if I would say that half of thrash comes from hardcore, unless you're referring to crossover. Plenty of more uptempo heavy metal and speed metal bands really supplied thrash with its base sounds, and black metal and doom metal had a large influence as well. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
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The overuse of breakdowns is one of those superficial elements that these bands focus on, like the overuse of blast beats and brainless chuggy riffs in deathcore. I don't know if I would say that half of thrash comes from hardcore, unless you're referring to crossover. Plenty of more uptempo heavy metal and speed metal bands really supplied thrash with its base sounds, and black metal and doom metal had a large influence as well. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2
By hardcore I meant hardcore punk, not like post-hardcore. I was referring to how most people say thrash metal is a combination of a New Wave of British Heavy Metal and hardcore punk, especially with Metallica. Then you look at bands like Slayer, and you can see where the speed, black, and doom metal influences start to show. On topic, I can kind of deal with deathcore better than metalcore. I still think it could use some lead guitar, and not just breakdowns and heavy blast beat riffs. Then again, it would seem like it would just turn into death metal. My main problem with metalcore and post-hardcore is its strong similarity to pop music. To me, metal is about being different from other genres, and then you see bands come out with mainstream clothing breakdowning, power chording, and screaming away in the name of metal. It just is not metal to me. Oh, and don't get me started about nu-metal...
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We really wind up talking about this a lot... it's starting to sound like the same anti-commercialism, "purity in metal/music of rebellion" conversation we just rehashed. Two points I'll make: 1) hardcore and its offshoots (metalcore, grindcore, post-hardcore, etc) have been developing in parallel and recombining with metal for decades. It's at least as diverse as metal, and a lot of it has no concern for pop structure, clothing, or accessibility. From what I gather, metal is just as derided in that community for being all about money and image; and when the public face of metal is Dethklok, expensive production, slick cover art, and Glen Benton giving interviews about how he's happy he still turns a profit on tours (as if that makes his band any better), it's easy to see where they get that impression. 2) Pop influence isn't always bad. Some bands do better with it than others. Pantera, Type O Negative and Deftones come to mind as commercially successful bands that have written genuine, expressive, heavy music with a pop backbone. Pop doesn't automatically equate to "shallow music anyone could have written". Even in the case of the quintessential pop band, The Beatles (who I really don't enjoy), there's a lot going on musically and lyrically. If your point is that there are a lot of shallow bands out there making lame music and making money off of it, then yeah, you're right. Thankfully you don't have to listen to those bands.

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