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Re: Proto Metal 1958-1969 Cream were incredibly heavy when they first started. Obviously not by today's standards but the distorted bass and what not was earth shattering to many people. Led Zepplin has to be mentioned of course. Blue Cheer was yet another as were the Scorpions (the formed in 1965 if memory serves.) Spooky Tooth, etc...I should know more but apathy's a bitch. :D

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1 hour ago, FatherAlabaster said:

Don't miss out on Arthur Brown.

Great act. I believe he worked for Joe Meek, as did also Richie Blackmore. I don't know if Richie ever sessioned for Arhur Brown, but he was definitely in with Screaming Lord Such. Joe Meek was a bit of a character. His attitude was somewhere in the area of "anything goes". There can be no reasonable doubt that he made a lasting impression on Richie Blackmore.

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Tony Iommi once said that he never cared much for Hendrix and the "psych" part of the fuzz guitar tree of evolution. He was into Hank Marvin, except he liked distortion. In my opinion, you can "kind of " hear that there is some DNA from the Shadows in Black Sabbath's guitar sound. Tony's riffing seem to follow the Hank Marvin logic in choice of meandering notes on the scale. 

I mean ... if Black Sabbath had gone for a more twangy surf guitar sound, it would pretty much be Shadows, right? A lot more small diddely-doo meanderings on the fretboard ... but if you're able to imagine a surf guitar doing the "Iron Man" riff, you whould be able to turn that on its head and imagine Kip Tyler working with Black Sabbath style guitar sound:

 

Let me be a little clearer on Hank Marvin vs. Tony Iommi. Compare these two songs:

Work a little with me. Try to "filter" away the fuzz.

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Uriah Heap and Deep Purple for sure.Pink Floyd laid the foundation for prog even more so King Crimson were hugely influential with Court of the Crimson King in 69. Alice Cooper for Shock Rock 69. Thin Lizzy and Nazareth were touring in 69 but did not release and album until 70 so they would not qualify but were influential, especially Lizzy with their duelling guitarists. Also Amboy Dukes with Ted Nugent 67, Journey to the Centre of your mind 68 was influential in some ways on the psychedelic side of creativity.  

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20 minutes ago, RexKeltoi said:

Uriah Heap and Deep Purple for sure.Pink Floyd laid the foundation for prog even more so King Crimson were hugely influential with Court of the Crimson King in 69. Alice Cooper for Shock Rock 69. Thin Lizzy and Nazareth were touring in 69 but did not release and album until 70 so they would not qualify but were influential, especially Lizzy with their duelling guitarists. Also Amboy Dukes with Ted Nugent 67, Journey to the Centre of your mind 68 was influential in some ways on the psychedelic side of creativity.  

I've never been one for genres, they just get in the way of things, but I can definitely get along with Purple, Floyd, Crimson, Cooper etc. I was never a fan of Ted, not because I didn't like him (or knew what he'd become) more because he just wasn't on my radar. I know plenty of people cite him as a genuine influence but I'm too late to that party and his idiotic ways of the last few decades over shadow anything I could like about the guy.

Hendrix is another I never got into. Talent, sure. Great songs, maybe a few, but overall he just did nothing for me.

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6 hours ago, AlSymerz said:

I've never been one for genres, they just get in the way of things, but I can definitely get along with Purple, Floyd, Crimson, Cooper etc. I was never a fan of Ted, not because I didn't like him (or knew what he'd become) more because he just wasn't on my radar. I know plenty of people cite him as a genuine influence but I'm too late to that party and his idiotic ways of the last few decades over shadow anything I could like about the guy.

Hendrix is another I never got into. Talent, sure. Great songs, maybe a few, but overall he just did nothing for me.

Saw Nugent in the 70's live a few times, awesome show, Derek St.Holmes is a beast on rhythm. My issue with Hendrix is similar to Page, really sloppy live and another thing with Hendrix live was tune for fucking guitar man seriously. Could be the drugs but that is even worse, IMHO when I pay good money to see a show you are on my dime, be professional or get the fuck off the stage, it is not much to ask. As for Hendrix roadies one of them was Meatloaf I hope he wasn't the guitar tech shite. Meatloaf also did vocals on some early Nugent material.   

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I was never interested in playing an instrument, other than banging pens on the desk when I was supposed to be studying, so I was never in awe of guitar players technical ability. Most of the 'guitar gods' I accept as being gods purely because people say they are, to me they are just players.

I saw Meatloaf a few times over the years and each time he was nothing short of an entertainer. His voice and his stage presence up until around 2010 when he started having more health issues was amazing. The effort the guy put in to each and every song was more than most of today's bands put in for an entire show.

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