Black Metal

[benktg]

dimmu could be described as black, symphonic metal...apparently thats what they say they are....but death metal they are not. what ever everyone thinks they are i know they rock my ass off.

[deathstorm]

Yeah' date=' that's interesting. I guess labels change every few years. I would always call Slayer thrash. In the things they write about, they have some similarity to the black metal sound, but their own sound is definitely thrash. Maybe the people at the store organized it that way because they just know about the album covers. [/quote'] i whould say albums covers

[Iceni]

I dislike most black metal from a stylistic standpoint, inverse dogmatism aside. I don't care for blast beats at all, and tremolo riffs can get very old very quickly. I also can't take the vocals seriously much of the time, they can often sound like neutered croaking. Of course, they don't always sound like this but when they do it totally kills whatever mood the band was trying to set up. I have heard some black metal that I do really like (all Asian, oddly: Chthonic, Rudra, and Sigh) but that's owning to the distinctive spin that each band puts on the basic template. The specifically folky bent of Melechesh and Chthonic help to vary the tremolo riffs enough to make them interesting, as do the avant-garde elements in Sigh's music.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

Well the language is against me in this, i didnt get the point out that i tried to do. First of i mentioned the satanic imagery as an aspect of black metal that i value, and that aspect dont have to be just satanic, just some clumsy writing from my side. I was using satan as umbrella term who could easily be whatever form, deity or symbols the band wish to use, wherever they use Kali, Loki or Behemoth. Since mocking christianity is like kicking in an open door. So what we are disagreeing about here is my use of the term satan.? The essence is absolutely more about personal spirituality and hatred against oppression. i know that the imagery used by many black metal bands today are set by standards of early bands as the use of corpsepaint for example. But those certain elements feels like they belong. Logically as you say they would have to be done differently. But the feeling is more important when it comes to black metal. So i say again, its the whole package of black metal that really gets my attention. The music comes first off course.

Essentially yes, this is what I'm talking about. If it a symbol to give an image to your perception, I can see it making sense, I was referring to how mindlessly following a symbol of pride, individuality, and rebellion is rather contradictory. I feel that a nihilistic approach to black metal makes the most sense, and if that personal nihilism leads you to identify with symbols like that, it would make sense. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

I dislike most black metal from a stylistic standpoint, inverse dogmatism aside. I don't care for blast beats at all, and tremolo riffs can get very old very quickly. I also can't take the vocals seriously much of the time, they can often sound like neutered croaking. Of course, they don't always sound like this but when they do it totally kills whatever mood the band was trying to set up. I have heard some black metal that I do really like (all Asian, oddly: Chthonic, Rudra, and Sigh) but that's owning to the distinctive spin that each band puts on the basic template. The specifically folky bent of Melechesh and Chthonic help to vary the tremolo riffs enough to make them interesting, as do the avant-garde elements in Sigh's music.

I have plenty of other bands up my sleeve in the black metal field that I think I could interest you in. Most people seem to have this distorted perception that black metal is inseparably linked to blast beats and tremolo riffs, despite existing for 6 years before those elements were even introduced. Also, not every black metal band utilizes those techniques, or at least not as frequently as the more popular bands. I'm hoping that I can start to break people of this mentality that second wave blasting black metal is the only style present in black metal, when it's actually a pretty broad and diverse genre. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Iceni]

I have plenty of other bands up my sleeve in the black metal field that I think I could interest you in. Most people seem to have this distorted perception that black metal is inseparably linked to blast beats and tremolo riffs' date=' despite existing for 6 years before those elements were even introduced. Also, not every black metal band utilizes those techniques, or at least not as frequently as the more popular bands. I'm hoping that I can start to break people of this mentality that second wave blasting black metal is the only style present in black metal, when it's actually a pretty broad and diverse genre.[/quote'] Well great! I do already know about Mirrorthrone but haven't really dug into them yet. I did check out Gallows Gallery and I like it so far. So is there any substantial black metal scene that doesn't have A) anti-religiosity and excessive tremolo? I remember hearing an Emperor song that was pretty good but I didn't really like the lyrics very much..

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

Well great! I do already know about Mirrorthrone but haven't really dug into them yet. I did check out Gallows Gallery and I like it so far. So is there any substantial black metal scene that doesn't have A) anti-religiosity and excessive tremolo? I remember hearing an Emperor song that was pretty good but I didn't really like the lyrics very much..

I wouldn't really call Mirrorthrone black metal, but Gallows Gallery isn't really either. Most black metal bands that aren't anti-religious are more pro-Pagan, occultism, or what have you, but that's not always the case. How do you feel about languages that you don't understand, or the aforementioned topics? That might help me open it up a bit. I'll start looking through my collection and make some suggestions. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[NTNR]

They're not for everyone, but I'm also guessing that you're most familiar with the vocal and instrumental style of more popular black metal bands. This genre is HUGE and more varied than most give it credit for, you should explore more sides of it before you write it off completely. Maybe check out some of my video recommendations in the Suggestions thread of the black metal section, that should at least paint a broader picture of it for you. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

The first and perhaps second wave had some alright stuff. I don't/won't consider it bm however. Most if does sound the same. I remember I spent an afternoon with a former friend some years ago and while we talked we listened to nothing but bm. The dude was INSANE for it. When it was time to leave he asked me what I thought of the music. I said it was alright. He then asked which band I'd liked the most. I paused and said "I didn't notice you had changed CD's." I had seen him get up and swap discs out but it all sounded the same. It was hilarious. He was, and probably still is, pissed to this day about it. Anyone can say all bands from any given style sound the same but this has never been more true than in what people consider bm. In all fairness and for the sake of being objective I have given a fare shot to this style, but the results are always the same. Modern death metal and the "retro"thrash scenes are in the same funk, but bm still outclasses them in the mundane and unoriginal.

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

The first and perhaps second wave had some alright stuff. I don't/won't consider it bm however. Most if does sound the same. I remember I spent an afternoon with a former friend some years ago and while we talked we listened to nothing but bm. The dude was INSANE for it. When it was time to leave he asked me what I thought of the music. I said it was alright. He then asked which band I'd liked the most. I paused and said "I didn't notice you had changed CD's." I had seen him get up and swap discs out but it all sounded the same. It was hilarious. He was' date=' and probably still is, pissed to this day about it. Anyone can say all bands from any given style sound the same but this has never been more true than in what people consider bm. In all fairness and for the sake of being objective I have given a fare shot to this style, but the results are always the same. Modern death metal and the "retro"thrash scenes are in the same funk, but bm still outclasses them in the mundane and unoriginal.[/quote'] Not even close dude. Even fans of the style will tell you that Euro flower metal is the most packed with generics of almost any genre. Most of the hardcore fans like that aspect of it. And yes, if you're listening to Darkthrone clone after Darkthrone clone, you may not notice much of a difference, but if you actually listen to a wide array of black metal bands with different sounds, there's no way that you can say they all sound the same. In addition, many could say the same about the current state of doom/death and funeral doom, as there are tons of bands rehashing the same formulas explored by My Dying Bride, Swallow the Sun, and Ahab right now. If it's a sound you really dig, you can look past the similarities and get into the nuances, but if you don't, you end up with an opinion like yours about black metal, or mine about Euro flower metal. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[Iceni]

Most black metal bands that aren't anti-religious are more pro-Pagan' date=' occultism, or what have you, but that's not always the case. How do you feel about languages that you don't understand, or the aforementioned topics? That might help me open it up a bit. I'll start looking through my collection and make some suggestions.[/quote'] Foreign languages are just fine. I listen to Eisbrecher, Oskord, Equilibrium...not really a problem for me. Anything that's a little bit like death metal in its riffing would be nice, something of a more rhythmic nature and double-pedal drumming (I'm just guessing here, I'm not really familiar with the nomenclature).

[slayer85]

The first and perhaps second wave had some alright stuff. I don't/won't consider it bm however. Most if does sound the same. I remember I spent an afternoon with a former friend some years ago and while we talked we listened to nothing but bm. The dude was INSANE for it. When it was time to leave he asked me what I thought of the music. I said it was alright. He then asked which band I'd liked the most. I paused and said "I didn't notice you had changed CD's." I had seen him get up and swap discs out but it all sounded the same. It was hilarious. He was' date=' and probably still is, pissed to this day about it. Anyone can say all bands from any given style sound the same but this has never been more true than in what people consider bm. In all fairness and for the sake of being objective I have given a fare shot to this style, but the results are always the same. Modern death metal and the "retro"thrash scenes are in the same funk, but bm still outclasses them in the mundane and unoriginal.[/quote'] Honestly, I don't think u have taken the time to listen to anything but 2nd wave BM! Bands like Aura Nior and Darkened Nocturnal Slaughtercult sound nothing alike!

[BlutAusNerd]

Foreign languages are just fine. I listen to Eisbrecher' date=' Oskord, Equilibrium...not really a problem for me. Anything that's a little bit like death metal in its riffing would be nice, something of a more rhythmic nature and double-pedal drumming (I'm just guessing here, I'm not really familiar with the nomenclature).[/quote'] I mean as far as bands with satanic and/or anti-christian views, but in a language that you don't speak. Also, if you don't mind a bit of occultism, that would really broaden things up. Let me know, and I'll start looking.

[Iceni]

I mean as far as bands with satanic and/or anti-christian views' date=' but in a language that you don't speak. Also, if you don't mind a bit of occultism, that would really broaden things up. Let me know, and I'll start looking.[/quote'] No to the first, I would just be insulting my own intelligence. But occultism in a foreign language is perfectly fine, especially in the context of folk metal. Usually if a song is in a foreign language I don't bother translating though.

[slayer85]

Not even close dude. Even fans of the style will tell you that Euro flower metal is the most packed with generics of almost any genre. Most of the hardcore fans like that aspect of it. And yes, if you're listening to Darkthrone clone after Darkthrone clone, you may not notice much of a difference, but if you actually listen to a wide array of black metal bands with different sounds, there's no way that you can say they all sound the same. In addition, many could say the same about the current state of doom/death and funeral doom, as there are tons of bands rehashing the same formulas explored by My Dying Bride, Swallow the Sun, and Ahab right now. If it's a sound you really dig, you can look past the similarities and get into the nuances, but if you don't, you end up with an opinion like yours about black metal, or mine about Euro flower metal. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

So true! Aura Noir sounds diffrent from Behemoth... You have to look past the obvious sound palattes and look more into the themes, formula, etc of diffrent bands. Alot of the upcoming blackened death bands have really shacken things up in both black metal and black metal over the last few years!

[BlutAusNerd]

No to the first' date=' I would just be insulting my own intelligence. But occultism in a foreign language is perfectly fine, especially in the context of folk metal. Usually if a song is in a foreign language I don't bother translating though.[/quote'] Check the black metal section, just started a video recommendations thread for you.

[deathstorm]

hey ban what about the band neglfar

[BlutAusNerd]

Re: your opinions on black metal music/scene

hey ban what about the band neglfar

There's the Swedish band Naglfar, and the German band Nagelfar. The Swedish band are a more melodic black/death band than Dissection, Unanimated, Sacramentum, etc..., but are not as good as those bands. The German band Nagelfar are a riffy and epic black metal band, and I definitely prefer the German band, though I've never managed to pickup their stuff. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[deathstorm]

There's the Swedish band Naglfar, and the German band Nagelfar. The Swedish band are a more melodic black/death band than Dissection, Unanimated, Sacramentum, etc..., but are not as good as those bands. The German band Nagelfar are a riffy and epic black metal band, and I definitely prefer the German band, though I've never managed to pickup their stuff. Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

damn almost same band name

[RelentlessOblivion]

I don't think I've yet heard any BM bands that sound identical which either means I have an incredible knack for not finding clones or more likely that the people whose suggestions I've followed up on really know their stuff Bathory sound nothing like Darkthrone, Melechesh sound nothing like Master's Hammer, Deathspell Omega sound nothing like...well nothing like any band in the history of the universe

[ReturntoCarthage]

Latter Deathspell sounds like a more fucked up version of Immolation/Shit era Obscura Its random notes and pseudo-intellectual imagery on a shittier level than even Portal. There is a band that needs to die in a bus crash

[RelentlessOblivion]

I liked Paracletus but that is the only Deathspell Omega album I own

[deathstorm]

i know corpse paint is done thier past alot of them viking ancestors as aswell

[Scullicon]

Kenose might be the last album Deathspell Omega did thats enjoyable. I agree with ReturntoCarthage about the ones released after that.

[RelentlessOblivion]

for one actually not too familiar with Deathspell Omega's discography (I've heard the odd song from albums other then Paracletus but not many) Scullicon where does that album feature?

[Scullicon]

for one actually not too familiar with Deathspell Omega's discography (I've heard the odd song from albums other then Paracletus but not many) Scullicon where does that album feature?

Maybe calling Kenose an album is wrong, its three tracks in 36 minutes. Thats the last one who have some sort of coherence, A few random stops and notes are there but not to the extent that it annoys me. Thats the problem with the later material. 'Si Momentum Requires, Circumspice' Is also a good album i would recommend.