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As someone with way too many pets, I have to disagree. Animals very obviously feel fear, hate, sadness, love, anger and happiness much in the same way as people. They just don't necessarily express it as verbally as we do. In fact, they recently realized cats actually "smile" at their owners by way of looking at them and doing a slow eye blink. Animals rely on instinct, but they're able to learn and adapt to their environments as well. If they couldn't they wouldn't survive

 

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3 hours ago, helvete said:

what does this have to do with it? The subject was

People live by reason, emotions, feelings, hormones and impulses.

Animals only have impulses.

Should we live like animals? Or like humans?

or another
Is there a theory?

by feeling 0 emotions
does it make sense to live

I it seemed relevant to impulse control which is a part of the conversation on this thread.

I know a way to avoid having the impulse to express diet related opinions in the future. 

Humans are animals, so animals have emotions. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sardonicist said:

I it seemed relevant to impulse control which is a part of the conversation on this thread.

I know a way to avoid having the impulse to express diet related opinions in the future. 

Humans are animals, so animals have emotions. 

I think it seemed relevant to the impulse of posting while under the influence. But you couldn't have been drunk already by 11 in the morning, could ya?

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12 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

I think it seemed relevant to the impulse of posting while under the influence. But you couldn't have been drunk already by 11 in the morning, could ya?

I don't remember the last time I was drunk at 11 am, it would have been common in the past. I've found a way to avoid the impulse to drink. Ok I am an annoying preachy nutter making connections that don't exist to find any excuse to repeatedly tell everyone an opinion about diet that is off topic on a music forum and some people here is sick of it.

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On 9/18/2022 at 5:12 AM, Sardonicist said:

Humans are animals, there is no option to not live like an animal.

 

Which is why IMO "man animals" need to be kept under a tight set of rules - social mores, laws etc.  Left to their own devices the human is lazy and degenerate and will resort to violence to get what they want.

   

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On 9/21/2022 at 3:03 PM, GoatmasterGeneral said:

How do you know animals have no emotions? Many people believe that they do. 

I would certainly say some animals have emotions - my dogs both past and present certainly had emotions and moods, even complex ones like jealousy.

Others like jelly fish or sea sponges or maybe even insects and reptiles probably don't due to limited or no brain.  

 

Could be a mammalian thing only.

 

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1 hour ago, JonoBlade said:

Octopii. Super smart. There's a Netflix documentary "My Octopus Teacher" which is a good watch.

It's not for nothing that Cthulhu has an octopus head.

The Great Old One wished for you to know he is very offended, he wishes also for it to be knowing the squid is superior to the octopus in virtually every respect.

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34 minutes ago, RelentlessOblivion said:

The Great Old One wished for you to know he is very offended, he wishes also for it to be knowing the squid is superior to the octopus in virtually every respect.

Squids are thickies. Giant and deep sea capable, for sure, but:

Cephalopod intelligence - Wikipedia

"It is believed that squids are slightly less intelligent than octopuses and cuttlefish"

Cuttlefish is a pretty low bar. My octopus mates frequently use the derogatory term "dumber than a cuttlefish." It's a bit racist but they are of a different time.

It was well known that while Oderus Urungus' penis, AKA "the cuttlefish of Cthulhu" (subject of the documentary Phallus in Wonderland) was sentient, it was not that smart.

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1 hour ago, Dead1 said:

True that.

 

Was thinking more like a frightened herd of bison...

 

...or these guys!  :D

 

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I love Lemmings!

18 minutes ago, Sardonicist said:

If they can get onto a road they will stand on a road, at night with no moon in fog and rain.

And when you can prove that it's a conscious form of suicide feel free to bust a nut.

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Deliberate actions that may cause death are suicidal, conscious or not. Birds are suicidal, always flying in front of cars, the closer to death the better for birds.. A human committing suicide is not really a more conscious action than an animals ignorance of automobiles, circumstances turned out in such a way that death became the preferable action over living, it is fully automatic, there is nothing conscious about it. 

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"Intentional" was probably the word you were looking for, since the key aspect of suicide is that it requires the actual intent to die. Every day there are occupations, like logging, roofing or working on oil derricks, which require  people to deliberately perform actions that may lead to death. While some of those people may be suicidal, consciously or otherwise, I sincerely doubt all of them meet the criteria. We as humans ascribe suicidal tendencies to something like a bird diving in front of a car, because we understand the danger and can't comprehend why a bird would do something like that. Unless the bird actually wants to end it's life though, that doesn't make their actions suicidal. It just makes them ignorant, and possibly stupid

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