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We don't have too many Peterbuilt's, instead we had the the PACCAR INC owned Kenworth set up here in the early 60's only few years after acquiring Peterbuilt. It wasn't worth them shifting both companies here due to the right hand conversion so only a few Peterbuilts came here and when they did they were generally modified by Kenworth. Kenworth then started building and testing here and they've been doing so for the last 50 years.

The last truck I drove was a 2013 K200 Kenworth with three trailers, similar to this but Kenworth red.

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My 1989 Petey 362 I picked up used in 1994 with half a million miles on it looked basically just like this one except it was that nasty Mayflower emerald green color and had side extenders to reduce drag.

You'll see tandems over here out on the open road but only certain companies run hem. Rarely have I ever seen any triples. I have seen them but they're not legal here in most states.

I myself mostly pulled 53' trailers, that looked exactly like this one, but never more than one at a time. I wasn't in the household moving division though, I was in the electronics and trade show division hauling all kinds of miscellaneous shit.

 

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Our trailers vary in size a bit but (and this is from memory) a single is a standard single trailer which can't be longer than 19 meters, and can be driven pretty much anywhere other than local streets that are marked with a size limit. Single trailer is anything with only a single turning axis point, so a semi and a trailer, or a tipper and a dog/pig (pig being a trailer with no turning capability of it's own). Next size up is a double and it can be an A or a B double, depending on how the trailers connect and they can go up to 25 meters. Then we move to a triple which can still be A and B or a combination and they are up to 52 meters. We can also go up to a BAB or ABA quad combination but they are uncommon.

Doubles can go into suburbia but are limited to where they go. Triples are not allowed in any major city, and are really only used on outback runs. We did some testing of triple fuel tankers on regional Victorian roads about 15 years ago but the results were not good enough to make it happen. All triples are loaded at staging areas outside the capital cities (i.e one tractor will drag out two trailers, another will drag out one, the single then turns around with a trailer from another triple that was coming in and returns it to the depot, or other such combination). Quads and bigger are only in mining towns and pretty much point a-b transport.

Just to add insult to injury nearly every kind of set up is variable in dimension depending on the load. Every state has different rules and regulations both on sizes and on how they are driven. No truck over 12.5 tonnes is allowed to go over 100kph, and many big companies now and actually limiting their big trucks to 90-95kph anyway. Drivers are allowed to drive 18 hours in 24 and breaks must be taken away from the truck or in a designated sleeping area, i.e the driver can't be fixing the truck, loading or unloading. Drivers must be 00 blood alcohol concentrate and zero drugs. A spelling mistake like spelling the name of a town wrong on our log books often costs a driver more than $1000.

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Too much math to convert all those numbers from metric at 2am. My truck was governed at 60mph (100kph) but I got it up to about 67 a few times going downhill. Just as well, I have a pretty heavy foot, probably saved me from getting some speeding tickets even though it made it a real bitch to pass anyone.

If I had a nickle for every off the truck route violation I've recieved...I'd have a quarter I guess. Fucking things are $1,000 a pop. A nickle for each of my seat belt tickets I'd have a couple of bucks at least. I'm not good at following stupid rules.

I almost got a log book violation one time. I had it all filled out and up to date through Denton Texas. And then one chilly afternoon when I had gotten sick & tired of sitting in that same damn parking lot calling into my dispatcher twice daily just to be told to sit tight 'cause they had nothing for me, I said fuck this shit and I headed out for home (NY). We're only allowed 10 hours straight behind the wheel and then we're required to have a minimum 8 hour break. Trooper got me somewhere east of Knoxville Tenessee parked on the shoulder of I-40 sleeping in my bunk at 8am the following morning. Smokey came pounding on my door told me to get my shit together, bring my log book and come meet him in his cruiser. I had driven all night til 4 or 5am then pulled over to sleep when I started nodding. I told him where I had started from and when, probably a 14 hour trip, but I hadn't actually gotten around to falsifying my my log book yet so luckily he didn't write me for that. But he did give me a $150 parking ticket for being a long-haired Yankee boy who dared to park on his shoulder.

There must have been 50 trucks at this little rest area when I'd rolled up earlier that morning, no empty spots to be had and there were trucks parked end to end stretching for at least a mile down the ramp and onto the shoulder. I just pulled over and parked in front of the last one. And then some more trucks came along and parked in front of me. But they were all gone by the time the dude got there a few hours later, it looked like I had just randomly pulled over to the side of I-40 in the middle of nowhere with my flashers on. After he let me go on my way I pulled into to the next decent looking truckstop I saw for a nap, a shower and some food, then I made it home to LI late that night, probably another 12 - 14 hours on the road.

My dispatcher was not at all happy when her GPS tracker thing informed her that I had dead-headded all the way from Dallas to NY but fuck her, she's not the boss of me. Not like they were paying me to sit in that freezing Texas parking lot with my thumb up my ass for 3 days. 

 

 

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I wasn't doing the conversion and it was only 4pm :)

Most older trucks we easy to by pass the speed limiters, drivers didn't even need mechanical knowledge, but it was over $10K at one point if we got caught. We rarely got done for seat belts, it's a bit easier with the introduction of HiVis shirts' so much so I think the cops might have had a hand in regulating them! Speeding and over loaded and over hours were what the roads corp chased us for. They pull us over for anything from a dead light to a serious breach, then they'd run us over the shaker, or make us return to the closer shaker to be weighed.

A mate of mine once got fines of more than $7500 because he'd misspelled so many things in this log book. He was within his hours, under weigh, had done everything else right, the truck was even road worthy, but he was a bad speller. He quickly learnt to take more time with his log book.

The most I was ever fined in one go was just under $2300 but it was mostly for defects so it cost me more in the long run.

If only we could all have a Buford T Justice it certainly would have made the road more entertaining.

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Yeah well with so many towns named stupid shit like Waddamanna, Wagga Wagga, Walla Walla, Wahroonga, Walbundrie, Widgiemooltha, Wallabadah, Wallangarra, Wallerawang, Waramanga, Warrawong, Warrnambool, Warumbul, Welbungin, Weetangera, Wangeratta, Woolloomooloo, Woolloongabba, Wollongong, Wollomombi, Woolgooga, Woomargamah, Woollahra, Wonthaggi, Wooroloo, Wulkuraka...it's no bloody wonder no one can keep them straight. And that's just some of the W's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

Yeah well with so many towns named stupid shit like Waddamanna, Wagga Wagga, Walla Walla, Wahroonga, Walbundrie, Widgiemooltha, Wallabadah, Wallangarra, Wallerawang, Waramanga, Warrawong, Warrnambool, Warumbul, Welbungin, Weetangera, Wangeratta, Woolloomooloo, Woolloongabba, Wollongong, Wollomombi, Woolgooga, Woomargamah, Woollahra, Wonthaggi, Wooroloo, Wulkuraka...it's no bloody wonder no one can keep them straight. And that's just some of the W's.

 

Never never never call Wagga Wagga Wagga, calling Wagga Wagga Wagga is wrong.

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9 hours ago, zackflag said:

You could fit a lot of piss jugs in those suckers. "The way of the road", as some would say...

 

No need to fit them anywhere, I learned - you can just toss them straight into the truck stop parking lot for the maintenance guy to deal with. You can also do this with bags of feces. Porn and sex toys are apparently worth an actual trip to the trash can though. The maintenance guy usually only has to handle those in aggregate. Something something human infrastructure.

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8 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Never never never call Wagga Wagga Wagga, calling Wagga Wagga Wagga is wrong.

The best bit about all those names is how they change depending on the state you live in. How any one in this country knows where the hell they are when on one side of the border you're headed to Wogga Wogga, on the other side your headed to Wagga Wagga, then you head up to Newcastle, or Newcarstle, depending on where you were born. Just about every town, city, location can have a different pronunciation. But the really strange names are reserved in greater numbers for South Australia, Western Australia and the NT where many names are based on the aboriginal language.

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On 11/10/2021 at 12:32 PM, KillaKukumba said:

The problem with both rail and sea is that they can't and wont ever be as versatile as trucks. In this country it's partly a government issue because they wont spend on proper infrastructure but the biggest reason is because no matter how much they invest, ships and trains can only reach a small number of places goods need to be.

It's great in the city, whack in a port, whack in a station, move shit all over the place on light rail. But no matter where ships or trains unload in regional areas they need transport from where they unload. Efficiency means hubs not a train pulling up at every town. But even if it did there is still no viable way to get the goods from the station to the shops because it's not like every supermarket, every clothing shop and whatever else will have their own station. It's easy to blame one industry for as many problems as we can but this is the lack of foresight the governments and many environmentalists think with. 

There is nothing wrong with spending on rail and sea but it has to be sensible. It would be far better to realise that just like electric cars will one day be viable throughout regional areas so will electric trucks. There is some impressive work already going on with trucks in this country being able to operate without diesel, the mining industry is using electronic trucks bigger than anything we need on the road and there is so many other tests being conducted it would be stupid to waste such ideas. We need to stop that thought that one industry, in this case heavy transport, is bad and move to the idea that we can and are currently making it better. Build the road infrastructure to allow transport to move today and in the future when transport changes to more sustainable options we'll all benefit.

 

Issue isn't just trucks.  Whole of Australia is an unsustainable mess - public planning/economic growth models that promotes urban sprawl and environmental destruction, emphasis on mass consumption, Australian aversion to public transport, mass consumerism, massive fossil fuel industry.

 

We the people are at fault too - we all want our McMansions, multiple SUVs, lots of electronic devices, to live where ever like regardless of transport requirements.*  (And thanks to my wife we have joined this shitty race to the bottom)..

 

*I literally know quite a few a people who would fly to work. in some cases literally every couple of days.  I've known others who drive up to 250 km to their work (Launceston to Hobart) and very often 100 km.

 

I think Australians don't want to fix the environment in a meaningful manner - it doesn't suit the Australian consumerist model.

Hence climate change still isn't a major political issue for the voting public (regardless of what the media is trying to say)

Australians pride themselves on being environmentally unsustainable - big houses, big cars, electronic gadgets, endemic holidays and travel, eating out. 

 

Even environmentalists are like this - you see big SUVs including many older more polluting ones festooned with stickers about saving the environment or saying no to industry.  

 

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And in other shit news Australia is world's biggest per capita coal user.  Even China doesn't compare.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/12/australia-shown-to-have-highest-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-coal-in-world-on-per-capita-basis?fbclid=IwAR1X-AH2lCf8SFHBpT8S_w5ZZKbV-8GTq3mD9dE1Qep7eLGl7DC5ndLR7OI

 

 

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Nothing is ever simply, things like public transport look good on paper but they don't work everywhere. We can't, and wont ever get reliable public transport where I am, and I'm not even that far from civilisation. We have one bus company, the bus stop is twenty minutes away and there is 2 buses a day to the closest shops which are about 50ks away. There is no way any one can run a viable public transport service that serves the people of our area, 2 buses a day is not enough and any more makes the service massively under utilised. Vehicles will always be required and while they can be 80% of those will be 4WD. Sure there is always excess, but a public transport service just wouldn't work.

Whether electric works will remain to be seen, maybe one day it will, but right now too many city folk sit back and just pop the same silly comments time and time again about how to solve the environmental issues without having any idea outside their own tree lines streets and high rise office buildings.

 

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Killakumba, the only reason public transport in Australia is so poor is 50 years of disinvestment into public transport and promotion of cars (to support a now defunct car industry).

And Australians increasingly lapped it up as they became ultra consumers.

 

It became a vicious  model - allowing near uncontrolled urban sprawl without investing in public transport which then pushed people into cars which then justified not investing in public transport.  

 

They have pumped over 50% additional people into the large cities without an equal investment in infrastructure.

 

This also allowed governments and companies to disinvestment from other services.  Everything from schools to supermarkets were shrunk in numbers and centralised.  So instead of people walking to school/shop they now had to drive.  More carbon.

 

In Tassie public transport is worse now than 50 years ago.  Only 7% of Hobart people use public transport and if the government didn't subsidise it to the tube of 82% of revenue even that meagre system would collapse.

Government also promoted cheap airline model to get people  travelling (tourism to replace dying manufacturing as a mass employer.).

So again Australians embraced this high carbon mode of transport with gusto and not just for holidays but work as well.  

Australia is designed as a ultra high carbon high consumption society.

 

And as I mentioned Australians like this hence serious pro environmental legislation is viewed as a threat to Australians.

 

 

 

 

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Yeah fine, we can blame history all we want for anything from burning too much coal to convincing people to buy things but like it or not many things become impractical outside the cities. Public transport is one of them, it simply wont work because it can't be there for everyone who needs it when they need it. Building a public transport system, no matter what it's powered by, for regional areas is neigh on impossible when all things are considered, building one for remote areas is nearly unfathomable.

My wife works for the public transport company that services this area and they have been working on ways to maximise services while still servicing as many people as they can for more than two decades now. Services as they are now just are not profitable enough to keep the vehicles running and the staff driving them, if it wasn't for the state government footing the bill there would be no services. We've got route services here that the government pays the bus company more than half a million a year for and the service itself makes less than a quarter of that, add maintenance, staff, insurances etc to that and it's almost haemorrhaging money.Governments can't afford to pay that forever without raising taxes.

Even if no one was to have cars and they some how all organised themselves to meet at one time a catch the services to the shops, their meetings, their appointments, and make sure all those things finish on time to catch the next service back home the service would still create a short fall in revenue. Some of the sums done recently show the price hike on fares would need to be more than 8 times what it is now to even come close to breaking even and that's on today's costs not the expensive costs of our future. Also take into account that the service I'm talking about currently runs a battery/electric bus as a means of working out future costs.

I'm all for better public transport and in the city it works, although I'm sure there could be an argument made for the amount of carbon and greenhouse gasses we are creating to modify cities just to make them greener, but in the country and further into remote areas it's just not viable and wont be for a very long time.

I do agree, people are the problem, I'm about to sign the deal on a brand new diesel twin cab ute because I'm sick of carting 40kg of cattle feed from the stock supplies store to home on the bus!

 

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Interesting you call them twin or dual cabs, I hadn't heard that term. Over here they're crew cabs or extended cabs. Americans like the big ones of course but the smaller ones are undoubtedly more popular down under for fuel efficiency reasons.

So what kind of ute are you getting? Aussie made Holdens are a thing of the past now, right? And will the 90 pound feed bag go in the back seat or in the bed? You should even be able to bring home two bags at a time now.

 

 

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Was doing some reading and I was a little surprised to find that 90% of Aussies live in cities vs 82% in the US and just 56% in China. At a casual glance it really doesn't seem like public transportation would be such a difficult problem to solve with 90% of people living in the cities. Obviously all the bumpkins in any country will not be adequately serviced by mass transit but them yokels have their tractors and dual cab utes so they'll be alright.

Anecdotally I've gotta say our American urban sprawl is much worse than yours especially on the east coast US where all our cities, suburbs and towns all bleed into the next until it's all one big continuous undefined mass of humanity. (understandably since we have 13 times as many people as you do in Australia while our land area is only 1.3 times larger) The Australian sprawl appeared to me to be more like an upscale residential suburban sprawl than dirty industry, scrap yards, warehouses, low income housing projects, with massive clusters of big box stores n shit. But I'm a New Yorker who has lived 99% of his life in the metropolis so it's quite possible that my entire concept of "urban" is skewed a bit. I've read that the Perth and Melbourne sprawls are the worst in Oz-Straya though and I've never been to Perth or Mebourne so I can't comment. Metro Sydney though seemed very middle class suburban to me outside of the small downtown area or like anywhere more than about 5k from the Queen Vic bldg. Didn't see a single ghetto anywhere.

I also remember my wife commenting to her dad about being shocked and horrified at the sight of Auckland's sprawl growth when we were there in 2017 after she had been gone for 5 years. I found that amusing because Auckland's sprawl is decades behind America's sprawl. They might get a lot of traffic on the 8-lane harbour bridge around rush hour but there's still quite a bit of farmland and undeveloped wild bush left. Auckland looked to me in 2017 like NY in the early 80's back when our sprawl was just starting to really kick into high gear. Cities like Tauranga and New Plymouth seemed like quiet little towns to me. 

 

Past, present and future | Greater Sydney Commission

 

According to this graph below it looks like in the global population density sweepstakes, Australia along with NZ and Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Scandinavia, Siberia, Mongolia, and the Sahara Dessert are relatively untouched. And if you don't want to live in the Sahara or Siberia but would like to avoid the most densely populated urban areas it looks to me like just about anywhere other than India, China, Korea, Japan, Indonesia, The Philippines, Nigeria, Eithiopia, Uganda, England, Netherlands, Germany, Northern Italy, Southern Mexico, the Northwest coast of South America and the Northeast and West coasts of America would be a pretty good choice.

Alasdair Rae on Twitter: "and, finally, here's a population density render  of the entire world - zoom in, or open the image in another tab/window to  see the fine detail here -

 

And back to OZ...down under it looks like as long as you stay away from Sydney, coastal NSW up to Brizzy, Melbourne, and Adelaide you've got nothing to worry about. But you're already way down there off the beaten path in Tassie, and Launny's population is less than 200 per sqare km compared to Sydney's 2,000. Reckon you should probably stay put in your new McMansion.

Alasdair Rae on Twitter: "I think I'm just going to keep exploring the  world in this way, so here's a few more population density renders from  Australia (next up, North America) https://t.co/K2oOPHUfVm" /

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18 minutes ago, GoatmasterGeneral said:

@Kuke

Interesting you call them twin or dual cabs, I hadn't heard that term. Over here they're crew cabs or extended cabs. Americans like the big ones of course but the smaller ones are undoubtedly more popular down under for fuel efficiency reasons.

So what kind of ute are you getting? Aussie made Holdens are a thing of the past now, right? And will the 90 pound feed bag go in the back seat or in the bed? You should even be able to bring home two bags at a time now.

 

For us a dual cab is four doors with enough room for a second row of seats. Extended cabs or King cabs are cabins that might have a dickie seat in them big enough for small kids but not really. King cabs usually come with suicide doors, but they really aren't that popular, where as dual cabs are family movers these days.

The demise of Holden and Ford production here was pushed by the dual cab market/family wagon uptake. People wanted to tow caravans and boats from their home McMansions to their holiday McMansions and both boats and vans got bigger and heavier so more power than your standard Ford or Holden  could do. Both Ford and Holden manufactured powerful V8 petrol engines but they were pushed into racing models, fatter, low profile tyres, racing shocks all the bits, for cars that never saw a race track. But it meant they weren't good for towing heavy vans and boats, so 4wd utes got sold in preference.

There is no doubt that Nissan, Toyota, Isuzu and MiShitiBus are big sellers here and they are mostly made in Asian countries, Spain or Brazil. Toyota do outsell most 4wd for farm use, and we are now seeing in influx of cheaper utes from companies like Great Wall and the like who've been in China for years but not here.

I'm getting an F Series, 250 which is a direct import of the American F250 converted to right hand drive and adapted to our road regs. I have to go down the the Big Smoke on Monday and talk to the dealer to find out whether it's a 2020 or 2021 model. It will be new but the speed of importing may see it as a 2020, but I'll be pushing for a 21.

I might get even get 3 bags in the tub :)

 

 

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Should be able to get ahold of a '21, they've been making 2022 super duty's since July here. But I could see how they'd probably want to get rid of the leftover '20's first. How much do they bang ya for the right hand conversion? 

 

Possibly my favorite Psychos song, "she's such a beaut' maybe a root, there's a swag in the back of me ute"

 

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The problem getting them here is new cars sales have been pretty slow and on a vehicle that sells so few numbers the stock numbers kept here are not high. I'll push for a '21 but it will depend how long I have to wait. The conversion cost is not really one we see because there is quite a number of things that need doing to them to be imported and pass our ADR (Australian Design Rules) and they get delivered to the dealer fully modified. I could probably find out the cost but the dealer may not know as he's the final point and just sells truck. In total with the conversion, all the bits like towbar, bullbar, driving lights, on road costs etc the 2021 XLT is just under $200K but that could drop a bit if there is some in stock and it doesn't have to be ordered. But with a 6.7litre V8 Diesel I know I am part of the problem :)

 

Ute beds are too rough to do that in, either on the knees or the back, definitely need a mattress, or several bags of cattle feed :)

 

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